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jbd: about asteroids deluxe i think roger's arcade tips said that it
was possible to leech off those hexagon ships...

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davedude1414@yahoo.com

Most games play fine except for the following problems I experienced:
(assuming TG version is the one we will use for T5)

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1. Renegade (bootleg)- doesn't work properly if the TG version is
used.
7. Meikyu Jima - also doesn't work properly with the TG version.
28. Tiger Heli - the bootleg version has to be used, the original
doesn't work.
29. Sega Tetris - The TG version doesn't work and you have to use the
bootleg version as well.

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suzieq@iglou.com

You can hunt the snowflakes, it isn't leeching because the rocks
don't last forever. Just try the game, eh?

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Easier than hunting small saucers, at least, at the moment my
strategy for small saucers is to run away. See, the saucers now
also do aimed wraparound shots, which means you can't do the lurking
strategy very well either.

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Also, it looks like that site you mention rips alot of the strategy
from the Winner's Guide to Video Games (I don't remember the author
offhand). If you can find that book it has a long section talking
about the leeching problem in the original Asteroids although it
wasn't called leeching, it was called 'beating the machine.' And
it then talks about the programmers wanting revenge like I mentioned
before.

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Also, Renegade (bootleg) works fine for me in MAME35TG. Is your
problem with the Windows version?

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Also, I'm testing Tempest more and having serious control problems.
For example, in stage 9 I can't move the flipper to the left side of
the screen, it's stuck on the right side. Anyone know what's going
on? If is unfixable I'm changing my original list to have Xybots
instead of Tempest.

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Windjammers: I messed with this a bit, there are difficulty
settings, probably setting them to 1 will solve our problems.
(The last stages are still hard, though, I tested it
with -cheat, so don't think it's now going to be too easy
Also, I think the time should be extended...30 seconds
isn't that much time to score alot. Probably 50 seconds
would be good (I tested with 60, seemed a notch too long).
Anyway, to change the difficulty settings, hit F2 at
the start, then select soft settings (using arrow
keys and whatever button 1 is), then slot 0 windjammers.
You'll see a screen to adjust the time and the difficulty
as well as some other things. Use button 3 to back out.

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jdyer41@aol.com

1. Renegade(bootleg) *is ok for me*
2. Tempest *I like Tempest, but I think that there will be problems
with the controls..*

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3. Moon Patrol *What can I say?? One of my favorites, and a great
game*

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4. New Rally X *ahhh more rallyx?? *grin* This one is ok for me, but
I hope that the TG settings ar easier than Rallyx *

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5. WindJammers *ok for me*

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6. Metal Slug *A great game, and a lot of action for us!!*

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7. Meikyu Jima *never played it*

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8. Elevator Action *a neat little game, more than ok for me*

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9. Frezee *no comment*

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10. Kangaroo *a great platform game*

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11. The Pit *never played it*

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12. Vulgus *never played it*

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13. Xybots *ok for me*

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14. Twinkle Star Sprites *never played it*

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15. Teddyboy Blues
*never played it*
16. Mikie(Japanese) *ok for me*

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17. Tag Team Wrestling * I wonder how the scoring will be in that
game..*
18. Asteroids Deluxe *great game*

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19. Track & Field *yes, yes, yeees! *

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20. Super Cobra *a great (and hard) "shooter" *

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21. Ghosts N' Goblins *of course I want this one:)and I don4t think
that there will be any "leechfeast" in this game.. as long as all
players "leech" on one men and don4t die and do it again..)*

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22. Wonderboy *one of the best platform games ever!*

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23. Metro Cross *I would like this one in T5! I think that there can
be a lot of competition on this one*

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24. Ping Pong *Never played it*

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25. Rainbow Islands *ok for me*

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26. Donkey Kong Jr. *Is more than ok for me..*
27. Super Basketball *hmmm never played it*
28. Tiger Heli *why not?*

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29. Sega Tetris *I think that this will be the best choice for a
puzzlegame..*

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30. Time Pilot 84 *yeeehhaaa yee ,yes*

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qrs@telia.com

1 renegade : yes (with the clone kuniokub because original doesn't
work)

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2 tempest : yes

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3 mpatrol : yes

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4 nrallyx : no (because of t3)

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5 wjammers : yes

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6 mslug : no (because of mpatrol which is also an horizontal shooter)

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7 kikcubic : no because it doesn't exist in m35 ; it's a pity because
this game is fantastic

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8 elevatob : no (already in deca2000)

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9 ,10 ,11,12 : yes

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plamat@club-internet.fr

I've seen several people argue that because Elevator Action was in
Deca2000, therefore it should not be in T5. First, and foremost,
MARP's tournaments do not have anything to do with Deca2000. The rules
of not repeating games from previous tournaments too soon applies only
to MARP tournaments. Secondly, err... didn't we already have Bobble
Bobble (another Deca2000 game) in T4, so why should a different
"rule" all of a sudden apply to Elevator Action?

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Cheers,
Ben Jos.

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walbeehm@walbeehm.com

My dear Walbeehm,
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1 ) We're not here to APPLY RULES, but just to HAVE FUN, I guess ...
So, of course, we're at MARP, and not at Deca 2000. But some players
are or were involved in both, and these players maybe are fed up with
that game.
2 ) if we made a mistake once, by accepting Bubble Bobble in our last
tournament, it's not necessary to repeat that mistake with Elevator
Action ... More, it would be stupid ...

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Cheers,

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Lagavulin.

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darre@cybercable.fr

I am fed up with a lot of games, but that is no reason to reject a
game. Once more, the point of this discussion is to disallow games for
objective reasons, not subjective ones. Moreover, there is no way to
please everyone. Disallow one game because YOU do not like it, and
someone who DOES like it will become less pleased. It should be clear
that when a lot of people vote on games, there are bound to be games
that some people do not like. And it is also clear that neither Phil
Lamat nor Lagavulin like Elevator Action, because if they had liked
the game, they would never have been so "objective" as to state that
some people may be fed up with it because it was in Deca2000. Besides,
although both of them had signed up for Deca2000, neither of them
submitted a single recording to it. So that includes Elevator Action.

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And just out of curiosity: Why does it happen LOTS of times that when
someone addresses something mentioned in a post signed "Phil Lamat",
that reply gets a reply of its own, but signed "Lagavulin" this time?

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Cheers,
Ben Jos.

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walbeehm@walbeehm.com

2 precisions for BenJos
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10) I don't dislike elevatob (the one I dislike is renegade) ; I
thought it MAY be out because of deca2000 (I had forgotten the
boblbobl case) , and it was just an OPINION (debates are made to give
opinions , correct me if I'm wrong) and not a wish ; it was the first
of the 5 tourneys I was giving my opinion on the preselected games ,
and viewing the result it's the last ... choose the games I don't care

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20) as every debate everybody can say its own word , but I'm not
responsible of what others say ; I don't really understand the sense
of your last remark ; all I can say is that with Lagavulin and Blost
we are mailing each other oftenly about some games (my english is not
so good and it's very pleasant to discuss in french sometimes)

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cheers

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plamat@club-internet.fr

Ben Jos,
You're completely wrong on these points.
1 ) I was not talking for my case ( in fact, I never played elevator
action, and it would be difficult to be fed up with it without playing
... ), but for majority of players who played it for Deca2000.
2 ) So, I was suggesting to avoid games from Deca2000, once for all.
Considering that, it becomes obviouly an objective reason to eliminate
one game...
3 ) Rules are made to be changed if they're bad
4 ) Concerning your last point, stop doing the Sherlock Holmes...
Several players already know that Phil and I are friends ... So I
guess it's not so curious to have sometimes same opinions... maybe
french solidarity...

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Cheers,

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Lagavulin.

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darre@cybercable.fr

ELEVATOR ACTION should be removed because platform SHOOTER. So, it
doesn't matter that it was in Deca2k. The head of it are TEMPEST
(Tunnel Shooter), MOON PATROL (Side Shooter), And METAL SLUG (which
is also platform shooter). It to bad that it didn't make the cut.

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l8r,
AxE

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alvaromarques@hotmail.com

CLASSIFICATION-
1. Renegade(bootleg)-Isometric Beat em up.

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2. Tempest -Tunnel Shooter (gyruss like shooter) [just to let
everyone know that slapstick still remains. Atari Warp Game
(warping should not allowed.)]

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3. Moon Patrol -Side Shooter *in?*

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4. New Rally X -Maze Scavenger Hunt *out* if in T4?

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5. WindJammers -Pong *in*

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6. Metal Slug -Platform Shooter *out* ~2,3

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7. Meikyu Jima -Arial Scavanger Hunt *out, if not in M35tg3?*

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8. Elevator Action -Platform Shooter *out*~2,3,6

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9. Frezee -Platform Scavanger Hunt/Shooter? *in* if ScH, *out* if
shooter.

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10. Kangaroo -Platform Goal (get from pt A to B) *in*

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11. The Pit -Side Scavenger Hunt *in*

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12. Vulgus -Vertical Shooter *out*~2,3,6,8

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13. Xybots -3D Shooter *out*~2,3,6,8,12

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14. Twinkle Star Sprites -Vertical Shooter *1on1* 2,3,6,8,12,13

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15. Teddyboy Blues -Platform Shooter *out*

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16. Mikie(Japanese) -Isometric Scavenger Hunt *out* if 9 is Scavanger
Hunt.

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17. Tag Team Wrestling -Fake Sport Beat em up *in*

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18. Asteroids Deluxe -Another Shooter *out*

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19. Track & Field -Button Beater *?????*

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20. Super Cobra -Horizontal Shooter *OUT*

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21. Ghosts N' Goblins -Platform Shooter *out Ghouls n' Ghost in T4?,
Point leeching!!!*

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22. Wonderboy -Horizontal Shooter *OUT*

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23. Metro Cross -Isometric Race, I believe? *in*

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24. Ping Pong -Pong *in*

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25. Rainbow Islands -Platform Shooter *out*

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26. Donkey Kong Jr. -Platform Goal (Getting from pt A to B) *in*

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27. Super Basketball -Sport Game *in*

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28. Tiger Heli -Vertical Shooter *out*

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29. Sega Tetris -Side Puzzle *in*

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30. Time Pilot 84 -Arial Shooter *out*

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MAKE IT-
Rengeade(Beatemup), Tempest(SH), Moon Patrol(SH), Wind Jammer(pong!),
Freeze(if classed as Scavenger Hunt), Kangaroo(Goal), The Pit(SHunt),
Mikie(in if FREEZE is not In), Tag Team Wrestling(Bad Beat emup?),
TrackNField(if allowed)

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NEXT IN LINE-
GENERAL -Metro Cross(RACE), Ping Pong(Pong!).
SHOOTERS - Metal Slug, Elevator Action, (Freeze if shooter), Vulgus.

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NOTES-
Beatemup ~Are shooters without guns. (Double Dragon)
Pong! ~It plays like pong! (Pong)
Scavenger Hunt ~You have to get a bunch of before contining (Pac Man)
Goal ~You only have to get form pt A to B. (Donkey Kong).

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Just my Opinion,
AxE

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alvaromarques@hotmail.com

Hello....
I thought that the debate would stop on Septembre 10th, and I don't
see any message telling what the 8 games are for T5.....Did I miss
something ?

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olivier.millardet@wanadoo.fr

You didn't miss anything - I will post these by Monday morning or
afternoon along with settings we'll use.

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GB9

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goldengameboy@yahoo.com