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I think we all need to know what rule there is for the time in the pc_games for mame. I mean the time limit (one credit a 300 ticks)
is far to little for doing a "completed on default settings without any warps"

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My suggestion is that multuple credits are allowed in (at least) games like smb, smb3 etc..

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Just my two cents (or "kronor" in Swedish *lol*

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coments??

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Regards

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QRS

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qrs@telia.com

I gotta agree with you QRS. It's more exciting to watch anyways in
my opinion(especially when it comes to the racing games! woohoo! I
love MAMEdev!)

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Ahem...

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GB9

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goldengameboy@yahoo.com

I vote to just forget the time limit...
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It does not affect the skill you need for any of the games and to
only have 300 ticks would take the fun out of it!

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Anyway, have to fly to beat QRS'S mario score! <g>

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Here we go again....

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GG

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gameguru@cableinet.co.uk

Please continue to play under the 300 time limit for the time being. I
haven't had a chance to look at these games yet, but I will by this
weekend, and the Editors will also discuss the issue on Sunday.

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Q.T.Quazar, MARP Rules Coordinator

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qan@home.com

Just my two cents.......
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Pc_xxx games are console games, just console games.
Is not like neogeo, neogeo games was designed for use in both arcade
and console mode, nes games was designed for console use only.

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I don't think that playchoice10 games shold be allowed in marp,
console games are totally different to arcade games.

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This is only my opinion of course.

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tharon@tiscalinet.it

I don't think that Playchoice-10 games should be allowed on MARP
either. I don't think they should be in MAME either, but that's not
the point. They are nothing like arcade games, since they are console
games - except you had to pay to play them.

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seymour@iname.com

I have to agree, either use the 1 credit system or don't allow them
in marp... if you want to see a recording the game load it up with
credits and use Ben Jos's cat/pet/monkey to bang on the keys till
you've won

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churritz@cts.com

Its annoying as hell when your game ends when the timer expires...
but MARP has always been about one credit/default settings. The
default for these Playchoice 10 games is 300 ticks, so it should be
left at that.

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usagi@dingoblue.net.au

I'm leaning in the same direction as Giovanni and Seymour... the PC-10
games don't really seem like arcade games, don't play as arcade
games, and obviuosly aren't structured as arcade games--in direct
contrast to the NeoGeo ones. Maybe we should archive PC-10s to allow
competition to continue, as it seems strange to say no to Street
Fighter Zero Changer, and yet allow these games in--particularly when
Nintendo already has the arcade-only Vs. driver. I suspect MARP is
going to be fairly split on this question, and I'm encouraged to see
that the posts on the topic so far have been very civil.

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qan@home.com

If we don't allow more than 300 on the ticker players are going to
have to start leeching points to gain a decent score within the time
allowed.

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As long as the default lives are used I really can't see a problem
with it.

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Anyway, we all have the same advantage when playing these games.

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It would be sad to never see an .INP of a completed Mario recording
on the marp scoreboard!!!

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I thought the definition of 'Arcade Game' was a machine you put money
into that lives in a Arcade, Pub, Club etc......

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We all know they are 8 bit NES Games, so what the hell......

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To have 300 ticks would just take all the skill away from making the
records.....

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Nuff said

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GG

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gameguru@cableinet.co.uk

Regarding the whole Playchoice-10 thing... I must say that I like QT's
suggestion best. "Archive" all the Playchoice 10 games and let the
players buy as much time as they want. So if you want to show off on
an NES game, go ahead... it just won't count for leaderboard points.

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As QT noted, there are Vs. system games which are almost (but not
quite) identical to the NES games, so I say we should wait until MAME
has support for these. No messy time issues whatsoever. Sure, not all
the Playchoice 10 games have Vs. equivalents... but as was mentioned
before, the games will still have places on MARP for uploading.

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Off the record, I don't see what all the fuss over recording Super
Mario Bros. inps is. Any MARP'er that owned an NES owned SMB and no
doubt finished it... so what's the big deal? I certainly am in no
hurry to watch an .inp of it. But that's just me, no offense intended
towards anyone. If anything I would like to see the arcade hacks
eventually emulated... I saw one at a pizza place called "Skate Kid
Bros.", it was screwed up. Mario was replaced by some kid on a
skateboard, and the mushroom was replaced with a quarter (I assume,
since it was a coin that said "25c"), which turned him into... uh, his
big brother? Never mind, I'm starting to ramble.

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lordbbh@aol.com

SF Zero Changer is different as it was a home system, not an arcade
game. Playchoice 10 was an arcade game system, you insert money and
play. If PC-10 games were to be banned or archived for having a time
limit then why not archive all sports games that are limited by time
as well. I don't care about leaderboard points for PC-10 games- the 3
I uploaded will be the only ones as they are versions of my all time
favourite arcade games- but it would create double standards if they
were to be archived from the rest of MARP. Sure PC-10 games
don't 'feel' like arcade games, but neither will the Vs. games-
besides the timer they are practically identical to their Playchoice
10 counterparts.

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usagi@dingoblue.net.au

Ok, folks, I have worked with Playchoice Machines. First, the games
placed in them ARE NOT THE SAME 8-bit NES CARTS... These are carts
made for the pc10'er.
Second, they may look close to almost exact as the NES conterpart,
but they are not. For instance in Mario Golf, some modes have been
removed, and some play has been changed to faciliate arcade play.
Mike Tyson's punchout is another example. It has a built-in initial
representation (Just as Nintendo's stand-alone games of that era) and
has a top 10 high score page for each fighter.
NEXT, you can't play PC carts in your 8-bit nes...
These games are fine as they are, with a 300 tick timer. I could beat
smb1 in 300 ticks, and get very close on 3, you just have to know how
to play it right.

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cparsley1@hotmail.com

Well, this is MAME Action Replay, not Arcade Action Replay, so I'm of
the opinion that it's ok as long as it's in MAME. But I'm not going
to whine either way. Certainly some of the Playchoice games don't
work well at all for competitive play, like Rygar, because there's
nothing to base a score on.

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As far as ticks go, I think some games it makes no sense to have a
tick limit (Mario Golf) while others it would be a good way to
prevent leeching (Super Mario Bros.). On the other hand we could
just be sure to have a 'no looping' rule to prevent that.

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Or if we wanted to get real ambitious, we could have special 'speed
play' categories for a couple of the games where only one quarter is
allowed, and keep 'as many ticks as you want' play in the main
category.

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jdyer41@aol.com

Here we go.
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I just wanted EVERYONE to know that I MUST AGREE with the folks
saying THAT PC10 SHOULD BE ALLOWED. AFTER ALL, they are now a PART OF
MAME and as such fall under MARP (as is USUALLY the CASE, anyway).
While we must DEAL with the occasional STUPIDITY regarding LEECHING
on CERTAIN GAMES, I think that FOR THE MOST PART 300 ticks is GOOD
ENOUGH to determine some sort of scoring system. If you REALLY WANT
to PLAY YOUR NES GAMES for leaderboard points. KNOCK YOURSELF OUT. I
have ALREADY MASTERED every NES game IN EXISTENCE, and thus feel NO
NEED to crush you all with my MAD SKILLZ. IN SUMMARY, I know how to
PLAY THE GAMES.

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