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OK - to be frank with you - this was a ridiculously difficult decision to make - but this is how I'm going to rule it.
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Pole Position - I wouldn't throw it out because of the controls - we had to deal with that in marble madness. I will throw it out because of speed issues - which as Jason pointed out, we have a problem with it. So Pole Position is out. Add the fact that a TG MAME 36 won't probably be released by the time the tournament starts...

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Street Fighter II - I was afraid that one person would find themselves to have four MAME 35 votes instead of three with the MAME 36 vote for this game - but it seems that the players don't mind - so it's in.

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Green Beret - Although a lot of people are afraid of leeching and the like - I can't throw it out for that reason.

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Sega Ninja - I'm going to have to agree with Pat to throw it out on this one. Plus if I accepted this, it would be three general fighters.(sf2, green beret)

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1943 KAI - is out because of Gaplus.

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Gunsmoke - out to gaplus

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Bubble Bobble - We'll have to figure out what rules to use for this - I say no powerups at all. Keeps the playing field even.

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Ghosts N' Goblins - This is a platform fighter similar to green beret, add the fact we had to deal with it's sequel last tournament...

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Galaxian - out to Gaplus

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Karate Champ - out due to Street Fighter II

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Magic Sword - Unfortunatly that's out due to green beret.

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Rally X - This has no collaboration to Solar Fox - I consider Solar Fox miscellaneous(mix of shoot em up and maze) - and Rally X, a simple maze.

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I know I'll get some flames for this decision, but I'm going to have to go with:

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Pnickies(puzzle), Street Fighter II(one-on-one fighter), Arkanoid 2(breakout), Green Beret(platform fighter), Gaplus(vertical shooter), Solar Fox(miscellaneous), Bubble Bobble(one screen platform, action), Rally X(maze)

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goldengameboy@yahoo.com

Okay, gb, something isn't quite right.
One, how is Sega Ninja in the same catagory as SFII?
Two, how can you use a speed issue with Pole Position, and not with
SFII?
Three, Gunsmoke and Galplus are not the same kind of game.
Other than that, I do agree with your answer in theory.

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cparsley1@hotmail.com

One question (i4m new to this tournament an the voting..)
What happend to Wonderboy and Moon Patrol? Wonderboy 3?

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Are those the game we4re gonna play?(Pnickles etc..)

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Regards

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QRS

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qrs@telia.com

What in the HELL?
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First Pat wrongly calls Sega Ninja a "platform fighter", and now the
game is declared out due to similiarites to Green Beret and *choke*
Street Fighter II?!?

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Green Beret and SF2 are horizontal games. In Green Beret you can climb
up platforms and end up stabbing most of your enemies, a close-range
attack. We all know how SF2 plays, it's a fighter.

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Sega Ninja is a vertically scrolling game, WITH NO PLATFORMS IN SIGHT,
and there are no close-range attacks in the game (except for the
enemies' swords), you have to kill all of your enemies by shooting.
But the game is fundamentally different and requires different
strategies than Gaplus, which is the closest thing to compare to the
game. Green Beret and SF2 are MUCH different games as well. If you
think someone that's good at SF2 can just pick up Sega Ninja and then
rule the game with little effort (and vice versa), you're crazy.

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Now do you see why I was so "paranoid", Jason?

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lordbbh@aol.com

Sorry GB9, but I have to agree with BBH. Even though I don't like the
game, Sega Ninja bears absolutely NO resemblance to the other two
games you mentioned. It should be in, and Rally X should be out.

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Play the games. There is absolutely no question about the difference.

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Sincerely,
Q.T.Quazar

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p.s. I can't believe we're going with Green Beret over Magic Sword.
Although I can't REALLY protest that they're different games, this
decision is going to come back to haunt the tourney, mark my words.

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qan@home.com

Alright! Alright! sega ninja is in and rally X is out! sheesh!

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goldengameboy@yahoo.com

So Gameboy it's so easy to make you change your mind. You took one
decision and if only two guys don't agree with you, you immediately
change it. So if I say I don't agree with you now, are you going to
change your decision once again ? In fact, I really think that the
opinion of the two first ( no angry against them ) in the
leaderboard is much more important than the opinion of others. This
system of selection of games really sucks. ( And not only because we
had a quite good game with Rallyx and now one shooting game more
again. I'm fed up with always shooting... ).

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darre@club-internet.fr

OK - I've figured it out. If I go one way - I get a bunch of
critisism for going one way - then I get a bunch more for going
another way. Let's say this: why don't we do another ten days of
debate and then I'll decide? I should go back to the original
decision frankly - based on the unbiased opinion of Pat Laffaye(who
is our judging coordinator and doesn't participate as a player in the
tournament) - minus the rally x deletion - which is what I had in the
first place.

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goldengameboy@yahoo.com

Your comments are not fair to gameboy9, lagavulin. Whether or not Pat
is impartial (and I'm quite sure that he is) he made a mistake. Most of
us here at MAPP make mistakes as well, and just because the top two
players on the leaderboard happened to be around to point it out means
nothing. BBH is likely going to win Sega Ninja in the tourney; I will
be happy just to finish in the top 50% on this particular game. And
yes, I hate shooting games too, but if you check out the ratio of
shooting games to non-shooting games at MARP, you'd come to the
realization that people in the 1980s were a prety boring group at the
arcade-it's all they ever damn well played.

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Simply put, Pat and gb9 made a mistake, and ANYONE else who has played
Sega Ninja will agree with both BBH's and my assessments. As a final
point, you yuorslef called Sega Ninja a "shooting game" and not a
"fighting game," as gb9 thought it was. So your argument really doesn't
have any logistical grounds: you've already agreed with what BBH and I
are arguing.

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Sincerely,
Q.T.Quazar

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qan@home.com

QT,
My point was not to agree with you and BBH or not. I have no opinion
on this subject ( Ijust don't like fighting and shooting games ). I
just made some critics on the way Gameboy took his decision and
immediately changed it. You agree with me that he made a mistake, and
everyone can make mistakes ( As a professor of mathematics, I know
that ! )...But if there's another debate, then all is clear ...
hmm...I hope.

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darre@club-internet.fr