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Vote concerning 4 games (maybe more - I don't know) : goldstar-goldstbl-csk227it-csk234it
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There are in mame since a long time ago , but have been erased (without any official vote ) from marp since they disappeared in m36rc1

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The question is : as they DID exist shall we keep them on marp ?

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My vote : yes

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Waiting for yours ...

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plamat@club-internet.fr

Well, I would like to add Street Fighter Zero to that as well...
I realise it has since been added to MESS, this isn't the MESS Action
Replay Page. (and I want my 100 pts back)

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Besides, if you're going to remove games that have been removed from
MAME, then you just might as well use the latest MAME version and
that's that. Of course, that would free a fair amount of disk space
for me, with all those 0.36 betas on my HD.

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My vote is to keep them, although I don't personally care for the
gambling games, I want SFZ back... MARP should support all versions
of MAME 0.30 and up (those that can record), not just the latest one.

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bsr@hn.pl.net

I vote to keep them, even though they are lame, marp can support them
and they do require some skill (luck) to play.

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aren't 10+ gig drives are in the low 100$s? my total archive of all
dos mame executables (since mame30) and a good portion of winmames is
108M, and with a little script to automatically pick the version from
the zipfile download name this is a reasonable waste of the full
percentage point of disk space.

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churritz@cts.com

There is no vote to be had here.
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The games will be kept in the archives (*gamename) but we will not be
awarding points for them. They will not be gone, but first on them
will be a matter of pride (if you are truly proud of spinning a whell
for hours) instead of points.

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Sincerely,
Q.T.Quazar

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qan@home.com

"there is no vote to had here" you said ... why not ???
Is marp community a democracy or are you the only decider ?
Can you ignore Barry or Chad 's advices ?
I know that some players want the deletion of these games but
obviously others don't : it deserves a vote , no ?

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ps : there is probably nothing to choose between "spinning a wheel for
hours" and deleting other's recordings for days , but I choose the
first

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Also sincerely

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plamat@club-internet.fr

This is not a matter of democracy or about my "personal dictatorship"
and it insults me that you would address me as such in public on the
message board. What "rules" I may apply are based not on
personal vindictiveness but rather on the powers granted to
me by the admins at MARP to regulate the rules of the site. Obviously
you have little regard for other players and even less for the rules
Mr. Lamat. You want to talk about deletions. Fine. Let's talk about
deletions. How about deleting your Gun Dealer scores, where you claim
30 and 31 rounds survived on a game that is unplayable at half that
number? How about your deliberate and repeated use of autofire and
slowdown in games? How about the well-known fact that you cheated in
Tournament 2 by slowing down games like Crystal Castles, and were
literally forced to withdraw BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE, Mr.
Lamat! Not a single player at this site believes you scored 300 on
League Bowling. Not one! You want to complain about democracy, then
you start obeying the law of democracy, Mr. Lamat. L'egalite.

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Maybe next time before you post something to the ignorance of your
last post you will read the previous thread where we discussed the
removal of the gambling games, and the fact that they were being taken
out by Nicola because he no longer wants them to be a part of MAME. We
at MARP are as bound to Nicola's whims as the fact that there is an M
in MARP, and we do not play at the
It-Was-Once-Emulated-In-MAME-But-Then-It-Was-Removed-Action-Replay-Pag
e. The archives were settled on as a compromise, where players could
still demonstrate their skill, but would not be awarded leaderboard
points for them. This decision was already found to be satisfactory by
the majority of players, and not requiring a vote, and thus the lack
of response to your post. Surprise, surprise.

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You're a cheat Mr. Lamat. Many people have thought it, some have
hinted at it, but I'm fed up and am stating it out loud. Whether
anyone else wants to support me or refute me is up to them. I've had
it with your antics. Cheaters never win, and I will do my utmost to
make sure of that.

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Sincerement,
Q.T.Quazar

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qan@home.com

I personally don't think that this should be the Only-the-latest-
version-of-MAME-counts-here Action Replay Page either...
These games have been in MAME, isn't that all that should matter?
If this is a democracy, then let the vote continue.

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bsr@hn.pl.net

Yes, this subject was brought up some time ago when Nicola decided
that the gambling games were no longer appropriate to be included in
MAME. If I recall correctly, the majority of those who responded felt
that the gambling games were fairly weak games inasfar as showing a
player's video game skills. I participated in submitting inps for
some of these games, however I fully understand the objections of
those who felt that deletion of these games was needed.
Delete 'em...I really don't care. And neither did I whine about
having my Track and Field/ Hypersports scores being deleted...I
didn't agree with it, but I respected the majority rule as this is
the essence of "democracy", isn't it? And I believe that democracy
was in practice with regards to the gambling games vote. Some MARPers
just decided not to participate or simply didn't notice. That's
really not anyone's fault but their own in that case. So, ease up on
Q.T. about him being the "only decider". He's not and never will be.
As a matter of fact, Q.T. and Gameboy9 go to great lengths to make
most every decision involving MARP "democratic".

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As far as Q.T.'s allegations, I think I've clearly stated my position
a few months ago. It has been one of the factors that has contributed
to my absence at T3 and MARP in general.

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JoustGod

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pinballwiz1@msn.com

I also remember - although I did not participate in - the discussion
involving the gambling games and the resultant agreement that they
should be excluded from leaderboard points but left there if anyone
wanted to upload recordings.

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Like JoustGod, I also have been absent recently from MARP partly
because of the changes recently and to me obvious signs of cheating
in games through either slow-mo type programs or under spec'd
machines.

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I've also been recently concentrating all my game playing time to
participation in the Deca2000 tournament due to there actually being
something to play for at the end of the tournament.

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Will I be back at MARP after June 2000, probably as we seem to be
doing a good job of cleaning up on all the crap recordings for now
and hopefully it will stay that way.

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Cheers,
BeeJay.

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brianjohnstone@jade.co.nz

Personally, I have been on the outside just because I don't like the
way things are going on here, but I feel I must speak here.
I absolutely agree with QT about the cheating, unfortuately it
happens, but it isn't something to be condoned, and was one of the
reasons I haven't been in a tournament since #1.
Personally, I balk at the notion that the "gambling" games are
nothing more than spinning a wheel, as I have said before, would put
Poker Ladies in that group, but there are some nudies in it, so it
stays. Nice sense of morality on that one.

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cparsley1@hotmail.com

I don't ignore the precedent thread about gambling games , but the
position of everyone wasn't very clear to me (remember I don't speak a
very good english) and there wasn't to my knowledge any official rule
on this subject . So that's why I proposed a vote . Not more

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It's obvious , QT , that you're very proud of your "powers" as you
said , but YOU don't respect the rules you've written yourself :
VIOLATION OF RULES 1a AND 1b ! So t3 will be the only answer to all
your grunts against me ( I just wanna add that using autofire when it
wasn't banned wasn't a violation but just a convenience used by many
other players...I never uploaded an autofire input since the law
passed)

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plamat@club-internet.fr

I did not break rules 1a and 1b. I made no statements in my own post
which were untrue, and YOU are the only player so far who has not
e-mailed me privately about any problems regarding games/deletions.
Furthermore, you accused me of being undemocratic and spending hours
deleting, whereas I only made a flippant comment about "spinning
wheels," which I think most people would agree with.

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What T3 has to do with anything is beyond me...? I withdrew last week
when I became fed up of playing Gauntlet 2 and decided to start
studying for final exams. Was I supposed to prove something?

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So Phil, I'll make you an offer. I'll retract any comments that I have
recently made and that you find offensive, on one condition: that you
personally delete any and all scores of yours that you know were
achieved at a slower-than-regular speed, excessive pausing, or by
'splicing' recordings.

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I think that's a fair proposition. What say you?

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qan@home.com

I say ok ... just need a few days ; I have a lot of inputs on marp ,
some made more than 2 years ago , I don't remember for all of them if
I use auto or not so I will study all that in april . Too much work
for the moment (studants' exam papers to correct - this is the period
) and I'm not even sure to have time to contain Ben Jos 's comeback in
t3

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To Steve : pause is not a problem for fax, the problem is that the
same questions are coming always in the same order

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plamat@club-internet.fr