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Since it looks like the gambling games will be gone by the end of this beta cycle, I thought now might be an ideal time to list the categories that should be removed from MARP. If anyone has anyhting to add to this list, please respond to the post.
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The removals would be:

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Gambling Games:

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Golden Star (goldstar)
Golden Star Blue Version (goldstbl)
Super Casino (sucasino)
Lotto Fun (lottofun)
Champion Skill: Ability, poker, symbols (csk234it)
Champion Skill: Ability (csk227it)

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Multi Credit/Multi Player Games

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Timber-2 players (timber-2p)
Reactor-7 lives (reactor-7)
Exed Exes-2 players (exedexes-2p)
Two Tigers-2 players (twotiger-2p)

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Speed Cheat Games

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Hangly Man 2 with Speedup Cheat- (hangly2-fast)
Junior Pac-Man with Speedup Cheat- (jrpacman-fast)
Miss Pac Plus with Speedup Cheat- (mspacatk-fast)
Ms. Pac-Man with Speedup Cheat- (mspacman-fast)
Pac-Man: Harder? with Speedup Cheat(npacmod-fast)
Pac Gal with Speedup Cheat (pacgal-fast)
Pac Heart with Speedup Cheat (pacheart-fast)
Pac-Man with Speedup Cheat (pacman-fast)
Pac-Man (set 2) with Speedup Cheat (pacmanjp-fast)
Pac-Man (Midway) with Speedup Cheat (pacmanm-fast)
Pac-Man (midway, harder) with Speedup Cheat (pacmod-fast)
Piranha with Speedup Cheat (piranha-fast)
Puck Man with Speedup Cheat (puckman-fast)

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If my understanding of the cheats in Pac-Man is incorrect, and it is a powerup and not a cheat, could someone let me know, and I'll strike them from the list. Thanx.

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p.s. My apologies for not having the banned games page up yet. It will come soon. Also, to all those who submitted banned techniques for consideration, there will be a vote starting late this week and lasting for one week that will decide the fate of certain techniques. Again, sorry for the delay with this, I've been busy with exams and essays.

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As always, anyone wishing to contact me about the rules or rules page can reach me at qan@home.com

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There will be further autofire/slowdown deletions later this week, as Analinp is slowly becoming capable of detecting subspeed games as well as autofiring. Any particular players who want to save face might consider making some deletions within the next few days (especially on games where it would be obviously impossible to any maintain any semblance of linear thought by, oh, say, level 10 or 11. Furthermore, there will be a possible addition to the rules page requiring that players play games with auto frameskip. This is not set in stone yet, but looks like it will be.

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Sincerely,
Q.T.Quazar

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qan@home.com

QT,
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The speed-ups are a legitimate category as these types of alterations
did indeed exist in the arcades of the "golden age". The reason for
their presence in those days was to generate new interest in old
games that were falling off in the earnings category. Some of the
machines had the speed-up as default while others gave the player the
option to press a button to activate the speed-up. Hope this makes it
clearer for you.

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I have to agree with you on the banning of the multi-player/ extra
lives via extra coin input category even though it might cost me a
few points. It is the correct thing to do for sure.

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As far as the gambling games go...it's no great loss to see these
tossed!

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JoustGod

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pinballwiz1@msn.com

would any of the golden agers care to enlighten those who don't know
how to "power up" the mame pacman speed ups?

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good riddance to the gambler games. I think there is more behind the
logic to remove them, since i would still consider them arcade games
even though they would only show up in certain "kinds" of arcades and
are also pretty lame.

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churritz@cts.com

All right, thanks JoustGod. Scratch the -fast games from the list. I
think someone (probably me) needs to build a page detailing secret
powerups to games so that everyone at MARP has access to them. I know
people have already complained about this in Street Fighter Zero,
Bubble Bobble, Pang!3, and others.

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qan@home.com

Chad,
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No problem...just use the -cheat in your command line. Launch the
game. Go to your DIP switch settings and you'll see the yes/no option
for the speed-up cheat.

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JoustGod

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pinballwiz1@msn.com

Ok for removing timber-2p ' twotiger-2p ' exedexes-2p (other 2p games
has been already removed) and reactor-7

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For gamble games I'm less enthusiast : I know there is a big % of luck
in this games but there is also a kind of strategy (especially for
goldstar) ; I think there is a % of luck in a lot of games and that it
is very arbitrary to decide which game had to be removed and which can
be maintained . Take the example of a game we all love : pbobble ...
there is strategy in it but also a big part of luck when we're waiting
for a colour which never comes (those who ever played this game know
what I mean)

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Remember than marp is also to be a reference of scores on EACH game
that can be played in single

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plamat@club-internet.fr

QT, I am ashamed at you wanting to scratch games just because of luck?
Secondly, you are only removing some???
What about Poker Ladies?
If you scratch those, then the Mahjong games would have to go...
With those gone, then the Puzzle games are deleted...
QT, we are not here deciding which games are worthy of being played,
but if they can be.

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cparsley1@hotmail.com

I vote strongly against the list of games that utilize the speed-up
option. All the games that use it are slightly modified in a certain
way to distinguish the difference between the original and the
modified ver. These or most of the pac-man games will be recognized
in the TG book of records because they are not considered the same as
far as game play and this speed up option does not make the game
extremely easier then the original. If that were the case, then
everyone in here would have a kill screen including myself which I've
done in the arcade several times.

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The speed up option is no different then the turbo fire option
in Galaga. So does that mean this one will be added to the list as
well? The others are find with me, I don't plan on trying to get the
world record or high score on Lotto, if you know what I mean.

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Just my $1.00

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Steve Krogman

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skrogman@bellsouth.net

Dear Mr. Chris Parsley,
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Please pay attention to the news and to the posts before posting. I am
not scratching gambling games because of luck, I am scratching them
because Nicola has deemed that they should not be a part of MAME, and
I wholeheartedly agree with him. MAME was made to emulate video games,
not casino machines. And, as much as I hate to say it, Poker Ladies
does have *additional* entertainment value-- that's why it remains one
of the most popular submissions at MARP-- whereas you'd be
hard-pressed to find many players willing to plunk away at Golden Star
for hours. Have a look at Nicola's post about Golden Star over at MAME
Testers, and what he considers the *value* of someone's time playing
this game.

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Besdies, until they're actually removed from MAME, I'm not scratching
anything, period (except maybe myself)

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qan@home.com

I agree with everything except the auto frame skip, my machine which
runs most of the games smoothly at full speed without AFS tends to
flicker a bit when AFS is ticked.

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Can't you just encrypt the game time into the inp file and let the
cheaters cheat, we all know who the respectable members are here.

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garyjlee@hotmail.com

The autoframe skip woulnd't be necesary if frameskip 0 runs fine on
your machine. Usually you can't tell much difference between 0 and
auto, but we'd only require autoframeskip be used for games that you
can't get 90% fps on in frameskip 0 mode.

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churritz@cts.com

Actually, QT, (and I an not directing this to you to start a flame or
anything) I can absolutely see a positive value for the "casino"
games currently emulated by mame. Granted while Golden Star might not
be the most skill challenging program out there, many of the
"classics" would be lost if not for emulation. Question, when was the
last time anyone saw a Golden Star machine, or CSkill? Also about the
"Funspot" style ticket games, a.k.a. Super Lotto, etc.
AND I am very sorry, but if you are scratching "casino" style games
because there are a particular type, then Poker Ladies would also go.
It is nothing but a glorified video poker machine with nudie. Are you
to say while casino is bad, if it has something you really like, aka
nudies, then it can stay? We haven't blanked old Sega games,
(Carnival, etc.) just because they can't be played/recorded on the
current edition of mame anymore, why scratch these? All know I don't
have a high in any of these, (ok, Super Lotto, because I watched and
learned), but if today we arbitrary remove "casino" style games from
MARP, what is next? American Football games? Soccer style games?
Fight style games? Puzzle games? Pac-Man clones? It can be endless
from here.

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cparsley1@hotmail.com

As i said before, the reasons behind removing the casino games (not
being arcade games) are flawed since they kind of seem like arcade
games, however lame or great they are in other peoples opinions. But
marp is the MAME acction replay page, we'll only do games that are in
MAME and if nicola takes them out, they're out, including pong which
is not an "emulation." beyond that we should only be allowed
to "scratch" recordings when they use a voted on banned technique.

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churritz@cts.com

I am sorry, but if they were ever emulated, (which they were) then
they should be here at MARP now and forever, regardless if they are
scratched in future editions...

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cparsley1@hotmail.com

Well, I'm sorry too, but if MARP is the MAME Action Replay Page, and
the game's not in MAME anymore, then we should just wave it a
fond "farewell, and thanks for all the fish..."

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I thought the idea was to have everything as up to date as possible,
and this is why the new versions are added. Using the same flawed
logic, do we not add new games "Because they weren't emulated
before???"

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Crash.

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crash@tcp.co.uk