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I think some games should have a separate tournament section - especially where games have been marathoned because of tons of extra lives.
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I'm thinking of for starters, joust red version, and qbert.

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If Twin Galaxies doesn't have a tournament entry, I would say we play default settings, except 5 lives and you get zero or one extra lives.

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What do you think of this proposition? {GB9}

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goldengameboy@yahoo.com

I don't think i understand the proposal, don't tournament games
already have their own 'section' when a tournament is played with
them?

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churritz@cts.com

you're right - I wasn't very clear - so let me straighten that up a
bit

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Twin Galaxies sometimes does two types of high scores - one for a
marathon, working on a person's stamina really - and another for
a "tournament", working on a person's skill.

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The marathon mode is usually default settings, with extra lives
abound. The tournament mode is usually five lives, with one or no
extras.

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I hope that clears it up for you.

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goldengameboy@yahoo.com

While not a MARP regular, I have been a Twin Galaxies Editor/Judge
for 3 years. I think you should split games into tournament/default
modes. This would give a better metric for determining skill vs.
stamina.

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My $0.02

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Ron

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sniper75@mindspring.com

I would argue why even have a "stamina" setting/section. would you
rather see (1) a long game that repeated the same pattern over and
over again, or (2) a short game with more difficult settings and more
skill needed to make it into a stamina game?

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number 2 please...

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churritz@cts.com

I'd agree with Chad. Who really cares about stamina anyway? Sure, it's
amazing to watch you-know-who on PacMan or Krogman on Galaga, but if
you're that good at a game, you're going to be able to rack up those
kinds of scores on ANY settings. Extra help is not required.

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And if this goes through, then I nominate gameboy9 to watch the
replays. I'm sure as heck not.

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qan@home.com

There was a discussion earlier about creating a TG leader board.
Maybe there could be a seperate list for default and hardest settings.
Hardest settings would include no extra lives or some such.

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dave@kaupp.cx

I think the tg leaderboard is the answer to this question (heck, it's
an answer to all questions

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You keep marp with default settings to maintain status quo. Then,
add a tg section for all games that have tg settings made. Assuming
tg settings are always more difficult than the default: tgmame
recordings would be acceptible on the default marp board, but default
recordings would not be acceptible on the tg board.

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Do we trust tg settings to keep a game from becoming a stamina one?
If not we should allow some more strict settings for games where tg
doesn't provide enough. I'd imagine if we found a game where tg
settings are too easy (very unlikely), mark (or someone at tg) would
change the tg settings?

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churritz@cts.com

Chad, I loathe the idea of a separate leaderboard almost as much as I
loathe gameboy's marathon idea. Let the TG players pressure the other
people playing their romsets to play under TG settings. If they don't,
it's still not hard to tell who's better. And besides, sooner or
later, no matter how good the encryption, TGMAME will be hacked, and
then the next version will be hacked, and so on. Are we going to keep
wiping previous scores out for fear of people cheating?

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Let the cheaters cheat. I'm here to game, and we'll catch the cheaters
as we go along. If anything, we should be thinking about making the
penalties for cheating stronger, and not skirting around the issue.

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qan@home.com

QT won't like this but it needs to be said.<p>

TgMame versions will be hacked but i think the next version should at
least last 3 month with out being knowingly hacked, a year maybe till
someone who's a "dumb" enough hacker (like me) actually tells everyone
that it can be hacked. TG3MAME was just too incredibly easy to hack,
the next version you will need to steal mark's to hack it. And i hope
no one wants to cheat that bad to do that. I figure the "hacking" for
the next tgmame version will be mark's careless ness to accidentally
leak out the source to someone who is "interested, but would never
release it to someone else." This i hope wouldn't happen but probably
will.

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Old TGMAME Scores wouldn't be wiped out just because a new tgmame
version comes out; At the time when a new version of tgmame comes out
older TGMAME recordings would simply not be accepted in the future.

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How can users "pressure" other players into using TgMame, that sounds
very elitist and impolite to new users who just have regular mame and
just want to upload mame recordings. If you are going to create new
stringent rules on a game, you can't just wipe out scores that are
already in the game you have to make a new game with harder settings,
for the "elite" to upload in.

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You need both paradigms (regular mame upload ability for new/old users
and tgmame upload ability for competative users) and you can't
combine these two paradigms in one leaderboard or one setting of
games. Even though i think one setting difficult (TG) setting of all
games would be great, it doesn't look politically correct to do.

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churritz@cts.com