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GB9, you may have been granted server authority, but you were not authorized to make today's changes to the leaderboard. Whereas BenJos simply wiped out the scores for all games on the banned games list, you've gone after some of the ones that are questionable for playback. Skito and I maintain the "banned games list," and Invinco is not listed as it DID replay on other versions of MAME under varying circumstances. Furthermore, the banned games vote did NOT pass as a binding rule on games with questionable recordings (although there were 4 games that it did carnival,carnvckt,flipshot,lstbld2). If you wish to zero out people's scores (thank-you for not deleting them) then you would be advised to notify Chad or myself, who will then add the game to the banned list. Scores that are NOT on the banned list may NOT be deleted, as this would be arbitrary and unfair in the eyes of the MARP community!!! In addition, I would also request that you post a general overview of your changes to this message board, so that players know that a romset's score has been modified.
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As some of you already know, I will be taking over from Angry and overseeing banned games/banned techniques voting. I should have time to do a new webpage for this purpose soon. If there are any ideas/comments/protests about this, please let me know.

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Thank-you,
Q.T.Quazar

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qan@home.com

I suppose I should add a few more things. I meant to say that you do
not have the right to wipe out scores for an entire romset, if it does
not show up on the banned games list. Individual changes are, of
course, your perogative.

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Secondly, my e-mail is qan@home.com, if anyone wants a copy of the
banned games list before the webpage is posted, or needs to contact me
directly.

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qan@home.com

http://www.primenet.com/~greggg/marp/inp-prob.html
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shows that the old sega games(the ones which I DQed) only play back
in m33b4 - last I remember, if it plays back in one version, the
players are responsible for recording in that version or they're
recordings were disqualified - which is why I did this.

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The problem is this gives complete windows version players a
disadvantage - because MAME32 started it's recording features
starting at MAME v.33 final I think.

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I'll also defend my GNG cleanup - anyone who leached for more than
one session(session = a life of 2 1/2 minutes) were DQed. Alex Weir
leached for one session, and before the time ran out moved on to the
next part of stage 3 - which resets the clock. He could not leach
again - which is why I let that go.

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With this in mind, let me give you a hint to get a decent score -
leach until there's 15 - 20 seconds on the clock, and then move on.
You should be able to reset the clock. If you die, don't leach
again... or else!

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goldengameboy@yahoo.com

Even though it was blunt for them to do it, i think it's been a long
time comming. I hope they attempted to play back "some" of the
questionable recorded versions that may play or may not playback
before banning an entire games upload set because it was in the
unplaybackable list. I think any banning is ALWAYS a individual
recording thing, not an all encompasing beceause a game should be
banned this means all recordings should be banned since one of those
recordings might actually be ok.

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I do think that when we ban a game for leeching, there must be
specific rules that define leeching before a ban is to be applied.
Perhaps even a vote: GNG leeching = 2 mintues+ or GNG leeching = 10
seconds+ or GNG leeching = leeching ok but if you die on the level
you leech on (by timer or by sprite) the rec is banned.

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churritz@cts.com

I have no problem with the gng cleanup. That was a long time coming,
and was already discussed on the msg board. Invinco wasn't (although I
don't contest that it plays back in MAME32) aside from a small post by
A.D.Sakuragi. The question here, GB9, is not one of correctness, but
of balance of power. Players have a right to know about the changes
that are being made to their scores, just as they have a right to know
which games are banned as are what techniques, and I'm willing to bet
you didn't verify each of those recordings by themselves. I'D NEVER
seen THAT page of Angry's (though I have seen the banned techniques
one), and I've been here for 8 months. I owe you some thanks; it will
be a useful resource in constructing the new one.

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qan@home.com

Well done, Gb9. After many message finally recordings on invinco and
similar takes the right score.
I hope you will continue, because one of the problem of Marp was the
slowness in making change (for example banning of recordings is began
now after many months).
About Leeching.
Actual Marp philosophy say that we want to simulate plays on an arcade
machine (so we banned pausing and similar) but in a normal play If I
want I can leech.
Moreover if I have a limited time to finish a stage it is my choice
how spend my time.
If you take a look on BBH -Psychic 5 - record you will see that He
done a lot of leeching but in any case when we arrive on the last
stage the only possibility to beat the previous record is to leech.
To conclude I think that we must simulate an arcade machine but taking
consideration that we aren't using it.
About pausing.
If I play out of home I can stay there hours and noone will interrupt
me but if I play at home I can have my mom, my girlfriend, my friends
that call me, and I don't think I will no respond to continue playing
for hours. Many of marpers works and have a limited time to do many
things and (probably) cannot play to 1-4 a.m. to being not interrupted
by someone.So I think that a possibility is to allow a max of 2 pause
in a recording.
To conclude I think that we must not vote this things on the
messageboard but with a pool (indicating for every choice pros and
cons) and taking consideration, one time for all, of all known
problems on Marp.

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Hy and long life to Marp

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alexdeidda@newmail.net