Please remove autofire recordings

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Q.T.Quazar

Please remove autofire recordings

Post by Q.T.Quazar »

This goes out to gameguru in particular (rapidly approaching 20k :), and German Krol, who told me a few posts back that he only had ONE autofire recording (herbiedk). Please remove your autofire recordings. It was decided a long, long time ago that they were unfair and did not accurately simulate playing an arcade game to your fullest potential. I don't think either of you needs the extra advantage.
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In case you're wondering, GK, your blasted.inp showed up as autofire.

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Chad

Post by Chad »

here come my quick draw mcgraw responses again... all i do is read
this board so what do you expect!

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Autofire recordings were decided to be unfair in tournament play But
I don't think it says anywhere that they are unfair on regular marp;
I think this has to be an issue that must be voted on like any other
banned technique and it hasn't been.

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I realy detest what game guru has done, using his braizen autofire
techinque to get him into the top3. But, there are individuals who
are just too "old foegy" (myself included) to rapidly bang on the
keys for hours at a time. I would vote against autofire being banned
at marp, but if there was a tgmarp: i would ban it for recordings
that used tgmame; where a more true arcade competition can take place.

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game guru

Post by game guru »

This is getting silly, people use autofire because they just can't be
bothered to press the buttons!

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Autofire on most games gives a disadvantage, the shots come out in
bulk, this messes up the timing..

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R u guys saying that I cheated to make it to number 3 in the
leaderboard?

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That took a lot of hard work and dedication......

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I could get any of the scores I achieved without autofire..

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Excluding Hypersports ;-)

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Later dudes!!!!!!!

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Chill out................

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The grass is green and the sun is shining..

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http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/games.guru

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Chad

Post by Chad »

People use autofire because they have to, that's it. Either because
their arm hurts or because it gives them an advantage (not to have to
press the buttons all the time...etc). If Game Guru could have made
the recordings with out autofire Game Guru should have, or AT LEAST
stated they were using autofire (never once does a recording mention
autofire was used.) Game Guru should have noticed that other players
weren't using autofire, and competing against people who aren't using
autofire by using autofire is pretty lame. Very Un-Guru like anyway.

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Gameboy9

Post by Gameboy9 »

Well... here's what I got when I tested Game Guru's most recent
recording - shadow dancer using Chad's autofire tester program.

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p = 10 f = 10 shadow.inp
Bit# frames:on/off Presses BPresses Bursts highVar LowVar
14 35270/8518 8517 7838 125 0.00 0.000
47 35030/8758 8757 55 1 0.29 0.000
72 27141/16647 8758 8757 1 0.09 0.089
73 28934/14854 8758 8757 1 0.21 0.212
74 26369/17419 8758 8757 1 0.01 0.011
75 27582/16206 8758 8757 1 0.13 0.127
76 26272/17516 8758 8757 1 0.00 0.000
77 26283/17505 8758 8757 1 0.00 0.001
78 8504/35284 8503 7824 124 0.00 0.000
79 27332/16456 8758 8757 1 0.11 0.106
107 8757/35031 8756 64 1 0.00 0.138
111 8757/35031 8756 55 1 0.00 0.161
142 8514/35274 8513 7743 121 0.00 0.000
171 8757/35031 8756 64 1 0.00 0.062
206 8530/35258 8529 7807 126 0.00 0.000
235 8757/35031 8756 64 1 0.00 0.015
239 8757/35031 8756 54 1 0.00 0.018

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shadow.inp MOST LIKELY IS USING AUTOFIRE!!!!!!!

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... in a lot of cases... oh yeah... that would mean a disqualified
game in the tournament... period.

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In comparison, let's look at BBH's shadow dancer recording.

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p = 10 f = 10 shdancer.inp
Bit# frames:on/off Presses BPresses Bursts highVar LowVar
14 3554/40238 474 12 1 0.47 0.639
15 6656/37136 1250 56 4 0.27 0.426

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shdancer.inp

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That means BBH did NOT use autofire.

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Nothing feeds back when I test Barry Rodewald's recording in the same
said game.

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What do you think? Disqualify this game?(Which we can do now...)

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game guru

Post by game guru »

I DID NOT USE AUTOFIRE ON THAT SHADOW DANCER SCORE!,
so I think u should check your information, jesus... :-(

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gameguru

Post by gameguru »

Also I did not use auto on the Shinobi score that went up after that!
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You only need to watch the playback on shadow dancer to c that I was
tapping the buttons, anyway Ive plugged the old SideWinder back in so
no one can hastle me anymore.... :-(

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Q.T.Quazar

Post by Q.T.Quazar »

No one's accusing you of cheating, Game Guru, but we ARE accusing you
of taking unfair advantage of the situation. No score that ranks in
the top 3 for a particular game should be using autofire, period,
because they disadvantage every score beneath them. Not having to
press buttons at all/as frequently gives A LOT more time to focus on
movement, as well as giving extra time to analyze the game world.
Saying that you're too lazy to press the buttons is not a valid
excuse.

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But if you need more arguments:

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1) Your scores, as stated above, impact other players who have scored
less on the same game but played without autofire.

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2) You are a Top 10 player. Using autofire is a bad example for the
new players coming to the site.

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3) You failed to label ANY of your games as using autofire, and for
this reason, it is only just recently that many of us have learned
that you were using autofire

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4) Using autofire violates the spirit/and or design of a game. Just
look at N. Kosaka's 'skill' on D-Con.

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5)Many games gain OBVIOUS advantages from autofire.

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Under current regulations at MARP, noone can force you to delete your
recordings. That is why I asked you to delete them, instead of telling
you (read the original post). I think that if you delete those
recordings where you feel you obviously gained an advantage (and you
must consider any and all vertical or side scroling shooters here)
then we can continue on at MARP with no changes to the autofire
ruling. However, if you refuse, I will personally put the autofire
matter to vote this week, and then one of the siteop gods can regulate
it.

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You are, simply put, the fastest rising player at MARP ever. I don't
think you need to skew the playfield to your advanateg, and I'msure
you can quickly make up the points lost.

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Sincerely,
Q.T.Quazar

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game guru

Post by game guru »

I will never use auto fire again from this point!!! :-)
As for deleting scores!!
It must have took nearly a year of hard work to make the top3 ..
There is no way I could run through all my scores and delete any with
an unfair advantage!!
If anybody wants to E-mail me a list where an advantage is gained,
please do so.....
Didn't mean to sound angry, it's just there is no official ruling on
this...
Also there are other players using autofire who r within the top20!!

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AUTO FIRE SHOULD BE OFFICIAL BANNED ON THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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LATER!!!

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Chad

Post by Chad »

Game Guru's recording of Shadow Dancer(Shanobi?) doesn't playback,
when i last looked at the inp it was just a bunch of 00's and FF's and
did not playback. The autofire detector can't work on a file that
doesn't playback.

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This is to say that Game Guru probably did not use autofire on these
inps...

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Perhaps there should be a vote wether or not autofire recordings
should be accepted or banned as a banned technique? Q.T, can you find
it anywhere on the marp page that says autofire is not allowed? if
not lets vote.

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Chad

Post by Chad »

Now that i've straigtened out that Mame36b15 has a different inp
format, i've compiled a new autofire detector, it now reads Game
Guru's Shadow Dancer and co recordings as NOT using autofire (i
apologize to GG for not knowing about the new format which lead it to
believe autofire was used in this recoring) though Game Guru's m36b15
Dragon Saber as USING autofire.

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I've forwarded the new detector to all the judges, hopefully the inp
format won't change terribly much, so far there are only 4 different
non analouge formats including tgmame's format.

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