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I just posted the source for MAME TG3. This is a public release
with all encryption removed. I'm also going to submit this to
the MAME Dev people, as it could be a useful tool in finding
if MAME bogs down in a particular area.

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The URL is:
http://www.snipercade.com/cubeman

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It has been tested to a reasonable degree, and any feedback is
welcome. If MAME 35 Final has a slowdown or bug, then MAME TG3
will have the same bug. When MAME 36 Final becomes available,
I'll make a corresponding version.

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cubeman@iname.com

supa coo. Hopefully nicola won't mind that an insignificant (non-
game driver) piece of code is removed from the distribution.

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I had a tgmame question, how do you verify the frame rates you've
recorded or is this confirmation reserved to those who have the
decryption algorithm?

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churritz@cts.com

oops one more question, will there be a x-tg3mame and/or a win32-
tg3mame? Although the source differs slightly from the dos source,
xmame is incredibly easy to compile on a linux box (no extra modules
to make sure are installed, everything you need is in the tar.gz
file, and you just type make -f makefile.unix and it works.)

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churritz@cts.com

So what does it mean that the encryption is removed, i take it that i
can compile the source and submit scores for tgmame ?

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Stig

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sremnes@samsen.com

Stig, seriously, do you have any contributions to make to MARP? Or
are you just interested in harrassing Mark? You seem to always be
looking for some reason to cry "Foul!". At least Mark is trying to do
something to keep all of us who are concerned about inp legitimacy
from whining any further. This whole thing is really getting old with
you constantly being on the attack. If you have some REAL suggestions
on how we might be able to co-exist with Nicola and the MAME dev team
while serving our interests here at MARP, then we would be more than
glad to hear your thoughts on this.

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JoustGod

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pinballwiz1@msn.com

Mark, I still haven't received any answers from you (2 emails and 1
board post). Maybe they got lost in that Internet trashcan in the sky!
Did the MAME TG3 exe detect the moslo and turbo programs I emailed you
and does it detect what dip switch settings are in use?

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tjmorrow@bigpond.com

Joustgod !
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The only way we can co exist is to follow the Mame license 100 %.
And remember i deffend using TGMame for marp, as long as everybody
can play, (that requires a tgmame32 and a Xmame version too). So i am
not trying to make this difficult, i just feel that we as huga mame
users should follow the license.

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I got one question,if i dont compete in this tourney,am i allowed to
play vote in the next tourney ?

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Stig

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sremnes@samsen.com

Um! Mark, I went to the url you specified above and clicked the link
called "New! MAME 35 TG Version 3, New Tournament Version Source" and
it only downloads m35tg3.zip that contains m35tg3.exe and m35tg3.txt.
Conspicuously absent is the actual source code. Am I missing something
or did you link the wrong file.

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tjmorrow@bigpond.com

The source is not absent, it's at a link right beside the link
for the exe file.

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To answer your question about whether or not it can detect
moslo or other slowdown type programs the answer is yes, it
easily detect it.

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As for the question of can you compile from the source I posted
and submit scores, the answer is you don't need do compile it.
The executable is already there, and it is only the DOS version
for now.

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You can use MAME TG3 or not. I'm going to leave it as it is for
now. There is nothing missing from the source except the encryption.
I'll take the issue up with Nicola, but I think this is a
reasonable compromise.

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cubeman@iname.com

Tim, the link is the word "Source", you'll note it is separate
from the other link.

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My message to MAME Dev was undeliverable, but it will retry for
up to 5 days.

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cubeman@iname.com

Whats the point with a source if you dont get the same exe file if
you compile it ? Distributing the official mame source is no point,
the license is clear if you distribute a modified Mame, you are not
allowed to called it Mame, and the complete source has to be
available, and Mark you told me that aint a problem, so thats cool.

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Stig

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sremnes@samsen.com

Whats the point of having a protected mame if people can modify it
and make it unprotected? I'm sure when the mame team wrote the
license they were thinking of gameing souce being publicly available,
so that there would be no restriction of how the games are emulated.
the encryption is not gameing source, it's not even an enhancement to
mame.

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The decision of the mame team to allow this or not will rule if we
use it or not, that's that, right now there is no word from them so
it's still a possibility. if they mail mark back and say he can't
distribute it we wont use it, and continue with the cheating
arguments.

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churritz@cts.com

Thanks Mark. I got the source now - I missed the source link because
the two links blended together on my browser. I read your source
readme.txt and there appears to be no information about dip switch
settings - so I take it they are NOT being stored in the *.inp so
they can be interrogated later (unless it was done previously in
MAME)? In particular it appears you did not disable the -cheat option.
I hope these can be detected by some means.

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tjmorrow@bigpond.com

It proly is a good idea to disable the -cheat option, although it
does let you use two buttons at once more effectivley if you use the
keyboard. some fighting games require you to press all four keys at
the same time which is nearly impossible with a keyboard, the -cheat
option lets you map all four buttons being hit at the same time to a
single keypress='v'. There is no way to tell if the person used the -
cheat option from just looking at the inp file (it appears since i
just did a recording with cheat and a recording with out cheat and
their frames look identical), but if they used the "cheats" of a game
you can most likely determine this from how many lives they have or
if they don't die if they get shot, etc. still it proly shouldn't be
in tgmame.

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churritz@cts.com