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What's this "Irritating Maze"(irrmaze)-game? I looked all my rom- bookmarks and didn't find it anywhere. Didn't find it from gamelist.txt(m36b1) or whatsnew.txt either. There's been couple of uploads and picture looks cool, a bit marble like. So what's the story?
Tommi
ps. Alex can you detect T&F "rlh"-cheat, when breaking inp-file?

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tiihoto@hotmail.com

You don't find it in the gamelist since it's a NeoGeo game, and
they're not listed there.
I've never played it, but I know you need a specific Bios Version.

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cicca@writeme.com

Actually, either Cicca's right, or you should notice that it's THE
Irritating Maze, not just Irritating Maze. Check under T instead of I
and you might have it. Just a guess.

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qan@home.com

Tommi,
I didn`t even know about the " rlh " cheat until I read it here.
Don`t know how to even use it. Like I said, the ability to breakdown
INP files was made known to me by Ron Corcoran at Snipercade. I`d
suggest you e-mail him to answer your query.
As for " Irritating Maze ", could this be an example of a Neo-Geo
game worth playing ? (!)...ahem.
ALEX

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alexweir@indigo.ie

beggingbeggingwheretofindgivemeromromanycd-----Yes it's Neo Geo, but
allmost impossible? to find anywhere. It must be pretty new one.
I'd appreciate if someone could give here or mail me an URL where to
find it.
About "rlh": type "mame trackfld -cheat" in command line and it's
activated.
Use it keeping left shift pressed, or change the key from keyboard
menu.----ps. I thought neos suck, but let's see

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tiihoto@hotmail.com

I just wrote a little program to analyse all the 'trackfld' recordings on MARP. It's not at all unlikely that my program is wrong, and that I'm accusing innocent people of using the 'run like hell' cheat, but the program's findings are as follows:
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phl_trackfld_95840_mame33 ok
rex_trackfld_94490_m35b13 rlh
god_trackfld_92850_m34b4 ok
tjt_trackfld_92300_mame34 ok
mv_trackfld_91190_m35rc1 ok
di_trackfld_91000_m34rc1 not sure...
max_trackfld_89790_m34b3 rlh
smk_trackfld_89740_win34 rlh
db_trackfld_88840_m35b13 rlh
kra_trackfld_88180_mame33 ok
jg_trackfld_87020_m34b3 rlh
aqua_trackfld_84310_mame35 rlh
djk_trackfld_79100_xmame35rc1-1 ok
ld_trackfld_66140_m35b13 ok
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So there!

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(And no, the program isn't freely available, unless this means anything to you:

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$ for i in db_trackfld_88840_m35b13 ld_trackfld_66140_m35b13 rex_trackfld_94490_m35b13 mv_trackfld_91190_m35rc1 djk_trackfld_79100_xmame35rc1-1 aqua_trackfld_84310_mame35; do echo $i; unzip -p inp/$i.zip '*.[iI][nN][pP]' | od -x -v | tail +2 | grep '^[^ ]*[04]0 ' | cut -d' ' -f2- | cut -c6 | sort -u; echo; done

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$ for i in kra_trackfld_88180_mame33 phl_trackfld_95840_mame33 jg_trackfld_87020_m34b3 max_trackfld_89790_m34b3 god_trackfld_92850_m34b4 di_trackfld_91000_m34rc1 tjt_trackfld_92300_mame34 smk_trackfld_89740_win34; do echo $i; unzip -p inp/$i '*.[iI][nN][pP]' | od -x -v | grep ' ' | cut -d' ' -f2- | cut -c1 | sort -u; echo; done

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Chris.

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zwaxy@bigfoot.com

Since it seems people want the game, I will have it on the tourney
ROM page shortly.

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cparsley1@hotmail.com

Gee Zwaxy, I don't exactly feel that the word "accusing" is needed
for the RLH cheat...uhh, method. As I've stated in a different post,
the MAME team has included this as part of mame.exe and is every bit
as valid as the PacMan speed cheats. So no need to treat this one as
a crime. :p

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JoustGod

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pinballwiz1@msn.com

[Trying a new mail address in an attempt not to jump to the top of
the list!]

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I'm not sure about the 'RLH' cheat - it's a cheat, like any other,
right? To say it's OK 'cos the MAME team provides it doesn't help,
'cos they provide a pretty large cheat.dat file with all kinds of
infinite life cheats in it. Just because MAME's -record feature will
record the RLH cheat, but won't record the infinite life cheats, does
that make it better?

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Maybe the issue is that the original arcade game provided the cheat -
that's different, I guess, and means that track'n'field should be
split into 2 games, like I did for pacman/pacman-fast, right?

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zwaxy@mail.com

Uhhh, I can't find that cheat.dat file that you referred to, Mr.
Zwaxy. And I think that's because it is an "outside" file. Here's the
way I view that situation...(and this is repeating myself in part)the
MAME team, whether for good or bad, produces this free program that I
can equate to being its own arcade machine/ game in an arcade. Well,
this particular arcade (we'll call it the MAME arcade...clever, huh?)
has a machine that provides an RLH feature for T&F and Hypersports.
Any other cheats for this game that you are referring to will have to
be brought in from the outside to be used, i.e., Pugsy's cheat file.
It's kind of the equivalent to bringing in some kind of mechanical
device that someone has concocted in their garage to play the machine
in the arcade.

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If you'd like to seperate the categories, well heck that gives me
more points...I think.:p But I don't see that as necessary as this
whole T&F thing is quite a mess at this point anyway until we can
come up with definitive ways of detecting unfair gameplay.

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well, anyway...JoustGod

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pinballwiz1@msn.com

Try Joustgod http://cheat.retrogames.com/

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tiihoto@hotmail.com

Nope, nope, nope...Tommi, I'm well aware of Pugsy's cheat file as
well as the other major contributors for the -cheat option. My point
is (once again) that the RLH is included in the MAME executable and
not an add-on option like the cheat dat files are.

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Anyway, I'm not going to fight this one as there are other players
that are much better than I am at this game and I stand to gain
nothing arguing this point any further. Besides, I feel like I'm the
only one here that gets the point I'm trying to put across concerning
this game. It is very similar to us accepting the MAME team's default
settings for games as far as I'm concerned. We don't seem to have a
problem with that one (well, with one recent exception)...or am I
just imagining all of this? If we do decide that there is a problem
with MAME defaults, then let's go the Twin Galaxies route and be done
with it.

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Have a nice day,:p
JoustGod

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pinballwiz1@msn.com

JG - cheat.doc was distributed with the MAME binary until recently, and included the pacman infinite lives cheat:
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$ unzip -p /var/www1/retrogames/mame/zips/mame033b.zip cheat.dat | grep '^pacman:' | grep Visual
pacman:0:4e15:4:0:Infinite Lives (Visual)
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So that's fair game, since it's in our MAME arcade?

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Yours awkwardly,

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Chris.

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zwaxy@mail.com