Millennium Nuovo 4000 my score of 10

[simpsons99]

I made a video of this game after i made this score of 10.. Heres the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbAGfUbwhro

I read before you guys where having problems watching my last inp for this game sooo i played it and got this score and removed the other one and replaced it with this one.

[Chad]

We ONLY allow submissions of games where the inp playsback, period. We try to preserve the play of games so other people can see how stuff was done 500,000 years from now, NOT just to post the score to say that score is achievable. Images are definitely NOT proof as the inp is the only thing to make sure the game was emulated correctly. If youtube could be guaranteed to be stored forever we might accept this but since youtube stuff gets removed all the time, so sadly seeing it work temporarily doesn't allow other people to play it back indefinitely.

Did you remove the nvram file before recording and playing back? That is tipically the main thing that allows one person to play something back while another can't. Removing the nvram files before recording ensures the person attempting to play it back has the best chance with a clean nvram state.

[simpsons99]

How do i remove the nvram file before recording?

Why is this a problem with certain games and not others?

Why do some scores get checked and others do not? Seems like the really strange games get looked at. Or if you get a major score on something it gets confirmed quicker.

[BeeJay]

How do i remove the nvram file before recording?

The easiest option is to use the record.bat file supplied with WolfMame to do your recording as it ensures the NVRam file isn't there when your recording starts.

Why is this a problem with certain games and not others?

Mostly due to the different ways games try to generate random elements. Some games utilise things in NVRam for their random number generation, some use time delays between inserting coin and starting games to seed their random number generators, some use time since machine was powered on, etc, etc.

Why do some scores get checked and others do not? Seems like the really strange games get looked at. Or if you get a major score on something it gets confirmed quicker.

There's only so much spare time in a day for people to playback recordings so we tend to pick and choose games that interest us or 1st place scores, especially ones that beat quite an old previous 1st place score.

Cheers,
BeeJay.

[Phil Lamat]

Your score of 10 doesn't playback.
You can disable nvram like that :
1°) if you use commandline, "-nvram_directory NUL" is the preferred method
2°) you can also create an empty nvram.txt file, then remove the extension in the name (nvram.txt --> nvram) : it will prevent your Mame to create a "nvram" directory

Second point, even if it were playbacking correctly, your input isn't receivable :
looking at the Youtube video, I see you've managed to get 10, but I also see credits=81, punti=108 which means you've played a lot of credits before managing 10.
One important rule in Marp is : "only first credit counts".

So I have to zero the score, sorry

[simpsons99]

phil too answer your question. about the credits and so on... It does'nt remove them each time you start a game..

So that game i won 40 they are still there. And all the others when i did'nt get high score .

[Phil Lamat]

It does'nt remove them each time you start a game..

It doesn't remove them, because it is kept in the nvram !!!
Erase your mil4000.nv file, and you will see it isn't kept anymore.
And disable nvram for next recording ...

[Chad]

There is a good reason to remove the nvram. We aren't singling you out simpsons. If we allowed nvram, then anyone can cater the game to the best starting situation and then play the game of their life. To be fair, we force everyone to start at the same "starting line" or nvram null state. So everyone can reach the finish line in their own time and the winner can win. It does complicate matters, unfortunately you have to remember to remove the nvram or use a method Phill said to make sure the nvram state is null before you start, but it is better than having everyone start at a different or their own place in a race to the best score.

[simpsons99]

Chad it sure does feel like thats whats going on here.

I've Beaten Phil's score 2 times. I removed my higher score becouse playback was'nt happening.
Then went and back some more and got a higher score then Phil again. Went out of my way too make a short video just in case play back did'nt happen again. Btw does Phil's score playback? Seems like it has'nt been checked by anyone. By DQING my score he takes his first place back again.

I wanted too prove that i really gotten this score.. I take pride in my scores and too have phil say i used more then 1 credit pre inp is like calling me a cheater... I would never cheat on anything.

About the Nv i have no idea how too disable it. 8 months ago i had no clue on any of this mame stuff.
I had a classic arcade game player help me out getting setup. I'm still learning from day too day here.

I just feel like maybe i'm fighting the major power here and trying too keep me down.

[AL]

It's not a conspiracy against you Brian. The same thing re:NVRAM was applied to any Hypersports recordings some time back (and other games too).
I didn't like it or agree with it, but rules are rules.




AL

[simpsons99]

Theres way too many different rules here that can be used too DQ Every Game .

I should just go back too playing Donkey Kong Junior for the world Record.

I can understand now why it seems like soooooo many players up and quit doing the Marp thing back in the early 2000's

Theres things like this that push the amazing players too leave... Just is'nt right period.

[mahlemiut]

INPs, by their nature, require the system to always be started from the exact same state for playback, as it was for recording. Save states can't really be used for this purpose either, since they are not supported on all drivers. Removing NVRAM helps ensure that there is nothing, outside of MAME itself, that could change the code path the game takes.

[Phil Lamat]

Theres way too many different rules here that can be used too DQ Every Game .

I should just go back too playing Donkey Kong Junior

You should just go back to read the rules (if you ever read them before).
Because you're breaking every rule here :
*nvram rule
*multiple credit rule
*speed violation rule (for example : raccoon, 22%)
*non default settings rule (fantjoura recently)

I'm here from around 20 years, you came here recently.
We can understand there are a lot of rules to learn at Marp, and when a newbie is arriving, we try to explain what's wrong.
Usually the guy is listening, correct his mistakes, and everything is going well after that.
But you don't seem to hear what we are saying.
If you go on breaking rules, you will have "Phil again" or "any editor again".

The R of Marp is for "replay". If the inp can't replay, it is zeroed, period.
So you should start by erasing your nvram directory and record a correct inp.
And yes, my inp playbacks correctly.
I'm not zeroing you to get 1st place, I don't give a damn, and the game is starred.
I'm zeroing it because it can't playback, and to avoid other future submissions on other games which can't also playback.
And I'm afraid there are already some uploaded which can't playback too due to nvram

[Chad]

Theres way too many different rules here that can be used too DQ Every Game .

I should just go back too playing Donkey Kong Junior

Sorry to hear you consider not playing. But the rules aren't really that complicated. What you've done to beat phil is to basically play a bunch of times on multiple credits. Anyone on multiple credits can beat anyone's best score on a single credit. Would you allow someone to beat your scores with multiple credits or an unfair starting location to make it easier for them to beat your score?

Phil was a bit loud in his statements, but they are true. The rules are here to make it fair for everyone. You probably aren't able to play phil's recording because you must remove the nvram before playback as well as record. Playback also reads the nvram state and it must be blank if the recording was started in a blank state. If you use the batch scripts that remove the nvram files for you, making a recording and playing back is easier.

[simpsons99]

For this game in question why it showed sooo many credits where i was trying too figure out how too start a game and set the bet. I did'nt know how too remove the nv It kept my left over credits and i just used 1 did'nt win the high score i wanted and then i rebooted the mame and the game..

In which i have asked this question before on slot machine games.

I have never played a game on more then 1 credit..

About the skill settings.. There is many scores on here that have been doing on easyer settings and harder settings.

I noticed this when pulled up scores for Beat em up games,shooting games... Theres more guys too kill and move items too get making more points .

I have buddy thats on here he clearly plays games on easy settings and puts up amazing scores that no one could ever beat for Donkey Kong 3 ... On TG Settings he has around 4m WR. But on here on Easy settings he is putting around 6m.

When you played a arcade game you had no clue what settings it was set on if it was set on hardest, or normail.
maybe harder too get your next quarter faster. But only the ops that placed the game would know this.

About the speed of the games and Racoon I first played that on Wolfmame106 it was sooo slow it was unplayable.You should try it and would understand.
I went too play it on wolf141 i belive at the time. Person that watched my first inp for 106 quickly DQ'D My scores by just watching the 106 in which it should have been removed becouse the inp from 141 should have replaced that recording .
You can clearly see my posts about everything posted here on fourms within the last 6 months.


Yes i feel this is very unfair i'm treated this way.