centtime

LN2 · Post by **LN2** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:22 pm

Sorry, don't feel like booting up VPC at the moment to check Phil Lamat's new centtime.

However, the score implies he likely didn't set the dip switches for 3 minutes of gametime without even watching it.

Can someone verify this?

Centtime scores

If it's an actual 3 minute game then man I want to watch that...it must be insane...getting lots of scorpions too.

Weehawk · Post by **Weehawk** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:22 pm

I won't be able to get home to watch it for a few hours, but this game for most people has to be recorded and played back with the -nosound option to playback properly anyway.

I'm pretty sure 50k has been broken for a 3-minute game on a real Centipede machine, but 57k might be a world record.

Almost as good as Dean Wiggins' 62k.

LN2 · Post by **LN2** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:10 pm

In macmame, I have never had the sound issue it seems several games have with pc-mames.

This has even been confirmed by others here. There clearly is some bug in the sound engine(s) for pc mames that aren't an issue in macmame.

major havoc is a recent example of this. In pc mame you can't record or playback an inp with sound on. In macmame it works just fine.

QT Quazar got to try major havoc on a mac and also confirmed at least one of mine where of course I was using sound. The game is picky though where the same audio rate must be used in macmame. if you record at 22kHz then it will only playback correctly at 22 kHz.

Weehawk · Post by **Weehawk** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 2:55 am

First:

The zipped inp is only 27.8kb. Mine for 41,758 points was 128k, so he must have used the keyboard for movement, not the mouse.

I just don't see anybody setting a world record on this without analog control.

Second:

The game starts for me, and gets a credit and starts to play, but desynchs pretty quickly and the timer never came on.

Conclusion:

I'm pretty sure were dealing with another "Person Unclear on the Concept" here. You'd think an editor would know to check the Special Rules. Oh well.....

Phil Lamat · Post by **Phil Lamat** » Sat Sep 06, 2003 5:09 am

Weehawk wrote:
I'm pretty sure were dealing with another "Person Unclear on the Concept" here. You'd think an editor would know to check the Special Rules. Oh well.....

Right ...
I feel like the "Person Unclear on the Concept" of the picture

I KNOW how to check special rules, but first I have to know there is one

...I didn't know there was this rule for this clone

Concerning playback, it playbacks perfectly for me , and there is no need to record with sound off since Barry's fixes on m70tg (millpac was the other fix)

JoustGod · Post by **JoustGod** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 6:44 am

ummm...special rule is where it has always been. I don't recall it being hidden or new for this clone. Surely anyone cruising through the Centipede games has to wonder why the scores for centtime are significantly lower than all others. Thus, one might want to check the special rules.

Weehawk · Post by **Weehawk** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 8:16 am

Phil Lamat wrote:I feel like the "Person Unclear on the Concept" of the picture

I guess we all feel like that at one time or another.

Phil Lamat wrote:I KNOW how to check special rules, but first I have to know there is one

I assumed that you got the idea to play it from seeing my previous submission (or Dean Wiggins') on the Uploads page, in which case the link is pretty conspicuous.

I guess if someone just ran across the ROM and decided to play it they might not realize that they should set the DIP switch, but it seems like before one uploaded the score to MARP, one would at least look at the scores already there, and there the link is again.

Phil Lamat wrote:Concerning playback, it playbacks perfectly for me , and there is no need to record with sound off since Barry's fixes on m70tg (millpac was the other fix)

Hmmm.. for me using Alphamame70 I can only playback my own recordings if I record and playback with -nosound on this and with "centiped". Millpac works fine with sound though.

JoustGod wrote:Surely anyone cruising through the Centipede games has to wonder why the scores for centtime are significantly lower than all others

Hehehe...it'll be a little higher if I can get the attached inp uploaded.

Phil Lamat · Post by **Phil Lamat** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:53 am

Weehawk wrote: I assumed that you got the idea to play it from seeing my previous submission (or Dean Wiggins') on the Uploads page

yes

Weehawk wrote: in which case the link is pretty conspicuous.

Thanks for the big explicative pic, but to view recent submissions, I never use "LOADS" but always "UP", which doesn't display the link

JoustGod wrote:Surely anyone cruising through the Centipede games has to wonder why the scores for centtime are significantly lower than all others

centiped : mame 30
centtime : mame 62
... so I wasn't so surprised to see lower scores for a much more recent game on Marp
(centipd2 hiscore has been a long time around 50k or 60k if I remember correctly)

Is it so hard for you to believe I hadn't see the "special rules" and that I'm not informed of ALL rules of ALL games ?
When I play a game, I don't systematically check if there is special rules.
That's all

JoustGod · Post by **JoustGod** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:15 pm

You remember incorrectly in regards to centipd2. I had a score of 140K in 1999 and that was beaten later in the same year with a score of 236K. All Centipede games have had a 200K+ score for over 4 years with the exception of the newer ones (magworm and millpac), of course.

Please do not yell at us for your oversight. Thank you.

JoustGod · Post by **JoustGod** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:20 pm

Weehawk wrote:
Hehehe...it'll be a little higher if I can get the attached inp uploaded.

Great job! I watched and saw a very nice last-second scorpion kill. This is going to be tough to raise the bar. 50K seems almost unattainable.

LN2 · Post by **LN2** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:21 pm

John, Phil had already removed the score for centtime once he realized he didn't play it by the rules.

...so give the guy a break.

This must be distracting him from playing some mahjong!

JoustGod · Post by **JoustGod** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:28 pm

That's all good and fine, Rick. The obvious correct deletion was done. I only wanted to point out that I'm not receptive to others (especially experienced MARPers) pleading innocent in such a manner. Don't put the blame on us in the form of "I didn't know.". If a mistake is made. Fine. Just say "Oops." or something to that effect. I (and likely others) would respect that much more. We are all human and are prone to a misstep here and there. No big deal. Just don't drag faulty reasoning into it.

Chad · Post by **Chad** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:02 pm

yeah i think phil's internet speed forces him NOT to see the pretty picture interface and thus can't see the special rules by default. but, if i were to get first place in something (especially an older game) i'm sure going to want to clikc a lot more to see why everyone else isn't beating me, i.e. when you are first don't assume you are the best it might just be a mistake or you're leeching too much or special rule or something else :)

Phil Lamat · Post by **Phil Lamat** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:47 pm

Chad wrote:if i were to get first place in something (especially an older game) i'm sure going to want to clikc a lot more to see why everyone else isn't beating me, i.e. when you are first don't assume you are the best it might just be a mistake or you're leeching too much or special rule or something else

something like "not played so much" game, that's what I had thought ;
I'm pretty sure I got hiscore by the past due to the same conditions on centipB2 with the very poor score of 54k, and the 100k barrier on this one has been broken only less than 1 year ago

JoustGod wrote:You remember incorrectly in regards to centipd2.

I was thinking about centipb2

JoustGod wrote:That's all good and fine, Rick. The obvious correct deletion was done. I only wanted to point out that I'm not receptive to others (especially experienced MARPers) pleading innocent in such a manner. Don't put the blame on us in the form of "I didn't know.".

If I didn't know, hell what "manner" do you want me to use to tell I didn't know ???
And in what way saying that is putting the blame on you ????????

JoustGod wrote:If a mistake is made. Fine. Just say "Oops." or something to that effect.

My answer to Weehawk was no offensive, I feel like saying something like "ooops" in my post.
Yours (with your "Ummm") was suspicious and so, insultant ; that's kind of manner I don't like

Weehawk · Post by **Weehawk** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:49 pm

JoustGod wrote:Great job! I watched and saw a very nice last-second scorpion kill. This is going to be tough to raise the bar. 50K seems almost unattainable.

But I also missed two low scorpions toward the end that I thought for sure I had. Add to that some 600's for spiders that could have been 900 if timed better and you're getting close. I think I remember Eric Ginner winning a tournament with 52k in a three minute game, but of course that was on a real machine.

LN2 wrote:...so give the guy a break.

I was just teasing a little. I hope he wasn't offended.

Phil Lamat wrote:My answer to Weehawk was no offensive

Not at all. And I didn't mean to be harsh or anything, I just think it's a bit of a humorous situation that we are all busting our tails to break 40k and somebody waltzes in and plays untimed, thinking they have the high score. (And you weren't the first to do it this week!)

I was having a little fun....everybody try and keep a sense of humor here!