MARP Tournament - Rules Voting Thread + Current Status

Gameboy9 · Post by **Gameboy9** » Tue Jun 15, 1999 12:30 pm

I'm going to create this thread so everyone gets the chance to vote for the rules. I made this thread because I'm surprised only one person has voted for a scoring system, and nobody has challenged my game selection proposal yet.

Zwaxy has been kind enough to make a tournament page on his server I believe. Thanks a million

We also have a suggestion from an email I got that the Judge Coordinator should not participate in playing games at all - because s/he would have the final say on qualified/disqualified recordings... this I'm going to agree with. Anyone still want to step up to this position?



Current Game Status, in order of precedence:(votes in parenthesses)



F1 Dream(2), Gyruss(2), Combat School(2), Super Punch Out!(2), Do Run Run(1), Kick Rider(1), Gradius(1), Pac Man-speedup cheat(1), City Connection(1), Klax(1), Donkey Kong 3(1), Omega Race(1), Mr Do.'s Wild Ride(1), and War of the Worlds(1).



Klax would be the 10th game.



Remember - the faster you vote, the better chance you'll have a game in the event of a tie.(unless that rule gets overridden by the players...) If there's a tie between two players and nine games are already selected, I'll admit both games in... so I will be flexible...



Thanks for reading this message.

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BeeJay · Post by **BeeJay** » Wed Jun 16, 1999 12:30 pm

Did this current status take in 2 voting points for people's #1
choice?



I vote for a % based scoring system - preferably with no bonus for
1st place. I'm sure everyone will have a favourite game that they
can score well at included and using a % base means others who can't
beat the top score can stand to gain for every improvement they make
in their final score which to me will add incentive to keep on trying
to beat their previous PB.



I still think we should promote good sportsmanship by always
uploading any recordings we've done on the day we make them - or as
soon as we're back on our work PC's with Net Access for those like me
who have no home Net connection. No "holding back that good
recording for the last day just to prevent someone having the chance
to beat it".



BeeJay.

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Chris Parsley · Post by **Chris Parsley** » Wed Jun 16, 1999 12:30 pm

gb, another decision in rules that sounds fair...
No more than 1 of any kind of game, only 1 of pacman sets (pacman,
mspacman, jrpacman, etc.) Only one Galaga/Galaxian style game, etc.
This will get a good cross section of games to make sure the winner
of the tourney will be good all around, rather than just a select
department.
Also, I am willing to accept scoring system B, still gives you pts
for improving, but not having full points for beating all isn't
right. Come on....
One last other, all final tie games should be revoted off, rather
than by who got it in first... People are mad that someone got a
score in first, and that's the only reason they have a 1st, so should
it be with our tourney, have a sudden death voteoff or something.
My $23.17 worth
CP

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Chris Parsley · Post by **Chris Parsley** » Thu Jun 17, 1999 12:30 pm

Ok, couple more rules ideas...
One, the tournament top 2-4, ideas on this can be determined, would
go head to head in a three game(again, subject to change) play-off to
determine the top champ.
Also, game vote time.
(I will denote the 2pt vote)
1. Super Baseball 2020 (Rule: Play one full game, as many quarters as
necessary, highest cash gathered and kept determines winner)
2. Discs of Tron (This game just rocks)
3. Lock 'n Chase (This is for those maze game lovers, not too many
play, nice for all on even playing field)
4. Quiz and Dragons (Will take either version)
5. Us vs. Them
All are default or approiate TG settings if there are such.
The 2 vote one is #2.

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Chris Parsley · Post by **Chris Parsley** » Thu Jun 17, 1999 12:30 pm

Ok, couple more rules ideas...
One, the tournament top 2-4, ideas on this can be determined, would
go head to head in a three game(again, subject to change) play-off to
determine the top champ.
Also, game vote time.
(I will denote the 2pt vote)
1. Super Baseball 2020 (Rule: Play one full game, as many quarters as
necessary, highest cash gathered and kept determines winner)
2. Discs of Tron (This game just rocks)
3. Lock 'n Chase (This is for those maze game lovers, not too many
play, nice for all on even playing field)
4. Quiz and Dragons (Will take either version)
5. Us vs. Them
All are default or approiate TG settings if there are such.
The 2 vote one is #2.
One more pt. wasn't the tournament website my idea???

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Aquatarkus · Post by **Aquatarkus** » Thu Jun 17, 1999 12:30 pm

I like the one game of each type idea, maybe two of a type if they are different enough (ie. Super Pac Man & Turtles), but a diverse set is important. My concern on the tournament scoring system is ranking all (or at least most) of the participants, not how many points each spot/score is worth. If the Superstars system is adjusted for the number of entrants, which shouldn't be too hard, I don't have a problem with using it for the tournament. I guess that makes my scoring vote a "no preference". I haven't changed my mind on percentage scoring for MARP in general, but with a tournament the participation on each game is about equal so a place rank system isn't fatally flawed. I don't care how the tie game votes are handled.


Damn straight Discs of Tron rocks! I expected a landslide of scores (and being ranked 9th if I was lucky) on that game once the level bug was fixed (it's been fixed a long time), but it never happened. Hopefully the tournament will help.



Aqua

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Chris Parsley · Post by **Chris Parsley** » Thu Jun 17, 1999 12:30 pm

Aqua, note who had to vote for it, ME!
And while we are at that, who has knocked out your firsts on both of
those games???
gb, Aqua is another for the progressive system... 4-1 now, isn't it!

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Chris Parsley · Post by **Chris Parsley** » Fri Jun 18, 1999 12:30 pm

Ok, couple more things,
One, Ankaroid and any others not functional should be disallowed.
Emulation only allows the vaus to move way to slow to have a chance
to get it there...
Two, K-man (I know this part isnt tourney) I'm assuming it's ZigZag
on Galaxian Hardware to make that 500k, right?
3rd) Zwaxy. the board now can't be ordered by medal pts....

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Zwaxy · Post by **Zwaxy** » Fri Jun 18, 1999 12:30 pm

> the board now can't be ordered by medal pts


that was intended to be like a feature - moving over to the new style of leaderboard.



i think we should have just one type of leaderboard - once we've decided what the gap between scores should be, i guess i'll get rid of the entry on the form for that, too.



do you think i should leave it open so that people can view the board however they want to? i could put a box in which usually says 10,3,1, and allow people to choose their own points-per-medal values if they want to, but i think it's best if we all view the same table.



chris.

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stephen krogman · Post by **stephen krogman** » Sat Jun 19, 1999 12:30 pm

I'm currently working on getting Twin Galaxies to help sponsor this
tournement and furnish Pete (gameboy9) with all the necessary TG
settings on games he's missing. I'm bringing up the settings being
TG because that will allow the scores from the tournement to be
published in the next edition of the book of world records as well as
mentioned on their web page. Default can sometimes go both ways,
unless it's selected by TG as the right settings on a particular
game. I will list a few of my own opinions which I hope will help
with this tournement.



1) NO CLONES! of any kind, bootlegs as well!!!!
2) All games set to TG settings, otherwise they will not be
considered for the next edition of the book.
3) If a game that's been selected has appeared on Angry's voting
page for banned game techniques, this also should apply for the
tournement.
4) I don't want to take away anyone's right to vote on a certain
game, but take into consideration, that games that use a paddle like
arkanoid, are much harder to use with a mouse and most players
probably don't have the controls to play this game on which will give
a hugh edge to the one or two players that have such a controller.
Allthough I think German Krol has done all his Arkanoid games with a
mouse.... no-one else including myself (and I have the world record!)
can come close to what he can do with a mouse. Hand out some paddle
controllers, and that's a different story.



Regards,
Steve Krogman

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Donut · Post by **Donut** » Tue Jun 22, 1999 12:30 pm

Scoring/upload rules---


Remember when you played these games long ago, and you wanted to fill
up that top-10 board on the game with your name on all 10? My
suggestion is to have a top-10 with the chance to get as many scores
as possible...(I'm sure now Zwaxy is getting ideas on another
leaderboard...) This way we can also bend the rule that allows a
player to re-submit only a score higher than his previous, but instead
within the top 10... Score the games by place, 1 point for 10th up to
9 points for 2nd, and some bonus, like 15 points for first place... or
maybe like 30-20-15-11-8-6-4-3-2-1... max per player-100. Forget
percentages - let's all fight for position.

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Aquatarkus · Post by **Aquatarkus** » Wed Jun 23, 1999 12:30 pm

After some more thinking I'm solidly behind the place rank system for the tournament. Sorry about being so confusing

Aqua

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BeeJay · Post by **BeeJay** » Wed Jun 23, 1999 12:30 pm

Oh all right - take my vote off percentage and put it into Rank for
the competition.......... OK I was biased about putting up a huge
Gyruss score to reduce everyone's points on that game.... but that's
just not fair - especially given the way I would be wiped off the
board on some of the games that look likely to be included in the
tournament.



Woohoo..... only 7 days till voting finishes and playing begins !!!



BeeJay.

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Gameboy9 · Post by **Gameboy9** » Wed Jun 23, 1999 12:30 pm

OK... I think we've decided on a place ranking system - which is
probably the best system to use in this instance... just now how are
we going to do it? All the ideas have been put on the webpage.



I personally am going with either B or C without the more than one
recording / person deal... why? Well take a look at Do Run Run...
Dith can probably ring up the entire top ten board... worth 80
points... 80 points that noone will probably get back... it'd be
better with just one recording / person - makes things more
competitive if you ask me... then again most votes wins here

OK... there's my $625.43 cents worth... see yall later

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Pat · Post by **Pat** » Wed Jun 23, 1999 12:30 pm

If we go with place ranking, then it should be just that. No funny
stuff with adding bonuses for 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. For example, if
there's 10 players, then 1st gets 10 pts, 2nd-9, 3rd-8, ..., last gets
1 pt. If no score is submitted, you get 0.

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