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I dont think we have to replace our old good tournament, when we
finally reached something that satisfies a lot of players. But we
could try to organize, just to see, another competition, based on a
knockout system, in parallel with future classic tournaments.

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Cheers,
Lagavulin

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darre@cybercable.fr

WARNING: This is a long letter
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How about this:

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We keep the tournament and adds the new knockout compo with one months breaks between them.

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2 month knockout (as many players are still involved it takes longer time) - one month break - 2 months T5 - one month break - 1 month knockout - one month break - 2 months T6 - one month break - 1 month knockout finals.

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So, why not do the knockout compo like this:

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All players that sign up will be placed in groups of 4 or 6 players who have to fight in 4 games. The 4 games are the same in all groups and will be randomly picked. The 2 top players of each group qualifies to the next round where the head against head knockout system begins.

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Now the winner of group 1 will meet the second placed player of let4s say group 4 and they fight over 3 games of the original 4, with the benefit for the group winner from group 1 that he can pick 2 of the games while the second placed from group 4 can pick one and must pick one of the 2 left, so that it makes 3 games. That way you get awarded for winning your group.

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After those matches are played, the players left will meet up one against one. But in what game? I suggest the players who have qualified to this round vote what of the 4 original games they like to play in and the game that gets the most votes will be played in all matches. And so on, until the final.

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This does however mean that it's the same 4 games throughout the entire tournament, but that makes it possible to improve and it should not be allowed to take your scores from earlier group plays or knockout rounds with you.

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However players might change there vote throughout the compo depending on there own progress in the games and on who is still in the compo. So, a little bit of tactics are also used.

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I also believe to do a huge knockout tournament in 2 months would become to difficult, so there should be a break between rounds where we play the normal tournament.

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About seedings, I believe it would be best to seed depending on your leaderboard placing, as players shouldn't be forced to play the normal tournament if they don't like to, just to get a good seeding. Maybe we should seed after who have improved the most on the leaderboard since the start of the last knockout tournament which would be a period of one year or so.

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Is this a silly way to do it?

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Remember, I think a knockout tournament would be great, but NOT if it means to drop the momentary tournament.

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Bye.

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frankie@image.dk

My question is: you think the current tournament style is crap, and
"useless". Tell me, how would a knockout tournament be any less
useless? Seriously, I'd like to know what advantages this style would
have over the current tournaments.

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You say you want a "real" tournament with brackets and all. That's how
Street Fighter tournaments are run to this day. But the big difference
is, everyone is playing one game the whole way through, in matches
that are over in a few minutes. When a variety of games are utilized,
it's not fair to all players since everyone is not playing the same
game. Holding a bracketed tourney over one game makes a little more
sense, but you'd get less signups from people who don't want to play
the game, and whoever has the #1 score on MARP would probably end up
winning it.

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If you think you can hold a random multi-game tourney without any
problems, well, I look forward to seeing it. From the sidelines,
anyway.

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-BBH

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lordbbh@aol.com

I'll abstain from this vote; I feel sorry for Gameboy9 as it is,
having to revise the tournament structure for every single
tournament. My suggestion is to go back to T1 format, but just change
a few things.

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1) Game selection, completely random. Lists organizing and dividing
the games have already been made. Make a randomizer, pick one from
each category, for a total of either 10 or 12 games, and one backup
for each, that can be alternated in if there's a problem putting a
game in the tourney.

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2)Tournament length, 10 weeks, and therefore ten updates TOTAL. This
gives the tournament coordinator and the stats maintainer a timetable
to work with and deadlines for when information is supposed to
appear. We could even set things up so that judges update the .inp
confirms once a week (instead of some 6 times a week, and others once
a month), prior to the news page standings and stats being updated.

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Just my 2 ruples.

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Q.T.Quazar

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qan@home.com

With a knockout system, half the players will be knocked out after the
first round. 75% after the second round. So after a few rounds, the
tournament will be over for MOST of the participants. Fun tournament
indeed...

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Cheers,
Ben Jos.

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walbeehm@walbeehm.com

YOU ALL MISS THIS TOURNEY'S RULES...
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One, all you have to do is NOT BE LAST PLACE IN YOUR GROUP.. So, it
wouldn't like having Krogman in your group, and the game being
Galaga, so you might as well kiss yourself goodbye. All you need to
be is NOT TO BE LAST... So just beat any one player to advance.
The games will be perfectly random, as to not allow anyone to stack
the deck with games they are good in.
The prizes, JD, can be done if everyone wants to commit to it.
THIS TOURNAMENT WOULD BE IN ADDITION to, NOT TAKING OVER, the current
tourney structure, as this would be a ongoing tournament, which will
weed out weak players until we come up with the ULTIMATE CHAMPION!

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cparsley1@hotmail.com

Leave MARP tournament as it is right now: 2months-8games-1month break-
voting for games, thank you. I skipped T4, but am waiting anxiously
for new games in T5. No need to change tournament rules all the time.

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If people want(and someone has energy to arrange that), why not have
a knockout tournament too, in addition to current tournament.
Randomizing games without voting is a bad idea, having over ????
games on MAME right now, how many of them are crap... That way all
the knockout games would propably be "s**t".

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tiihoto@hotmail.com

Allow me to put some minds to rest
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First of all, the knockout tournament will be IN ADDITION to the
current tournament we're using now. The current tournament format
will not change except for that 95 % speed rule, which I've mentioned
previously, instead of 90 %. It will also NOT go away and be
REPLACED by the knockout tournament.

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Think about this: if the vote to put in a knockout tournament was
for example 14 - 13 in favor - and I'd say "knockout tournament in,
other tournament out" - that wouldn't be fair and it wouldn't be for
the complete benefit for the MARP players.

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So I'll mention again - the current tournament will STAY regardless
of wheather or not the knockout tournament takes place. The knockout
tournament will be a complement to the current tournament for those
who would like to participate.

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If you want to play in the knockout tourney and don't want to play in
the current format - kewl. If you want to play in the current format
and don't want to play in the knockout format - kewl. If you want to
play in both - kewl. If you want to play in neither... well that's a
different story j/k - that's kewl too

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Thanks for your attention. GB9

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P.S. For the record - there's a two month wait in between
tournaments right now - though I'd really like that to be back to one.

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goldengameboy@yahoo.com

Just a couple of considerations: I have noticed that unfortunately, as
usual, the ones who attend at this message board are always the same.
This discussion is a clear example; even if Gameboy9 broke the news in
the main page and invited everyone to express his opinion, how many
guys replied his call? Very little, I think ten.

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At this point I ask myself if every decision taken here would be in
some way just an "elitish will", if the ones who will pronounce about
this thread will be anyway neither the 10% of the total. If it is true
that we MARPers are 300+, my question is: how can we decide for
everyone?

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Second issue: after thinking for a while about it, I feel not to
advise the employment of a prize in money. Maybe some of you does
remember JGustavo: last summer (if I remember correctly) he uploaded a
lot of stunning scores, and not a few guys had suspects on them, at
the point that JGustavo decided to remove them all, or the quarrel
with Ben Jos who accused Game Guru to cheat in I don't remember which
game. Now, in the case of a prize in money, it doesn't matter how
little, I'm sure there would be infinite discussions upon the
recordings of the players getting first.

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After all money isn't so important (here), the spirit of challenge
should suffice!

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mrvaz@inwind.it

Vaz, the word 'elite' is a very bad idea on this message board. It
tends to provoke problems every time it comes up. You might want
to find a synonym.

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Just FYI.

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QCN

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qan@home.com

Call it what you want, it's still an ilite. Why to hide the truth?
There can't be any misunderstandings, we all know it's like that.
We're always the same, we make the proposals, we accept them -
anyway, if the others don't whine about this, I don't see why I
should. OK, problem solved! What about the prizes then? THIS is a bad
idea, as I can see. Now I'm waiting for Chris Parsley's word...

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mrvaz@inwind.it

Well, excuse me. I was only offering it because some people wanted
it. If it is going to cause trouble, then fine. BUT I WILL STILL HOLD
THE TOURNAMENT, regardless on whether or not prizes are awarded. And
yes, I do have participants that have all ready signed up for the
competition, the deadline to signup is currently Aug. 15th...
cparsley3@yahoo.com to sign up today, and NO, the games won't suck,
but will determine a final champion. (The games have been selected at
random, but placed to make sure the winner has skills of all
necessary games out there, and there are no sucker games like Capcom
bowling, etc.)

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cparsley1@hotmail.com

Hmm after reading all posts on this thread, i must say that there are
many sides to see this "problem".. My opinion is to split it into two
tournaments.. and the problem is solved alright?

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I agree with Ben Jos about his view of the "knockdown" version of a
tournament.. A "fun" tournament with only 25% of the marpers after a
week BUT on the other hand why not? You will get the ULTIMATE CHAMPION
in a tournament style that is VERY common in sports etc.. So why not
at MARP??

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And with the ordinary tournament we can play them both if we want..
(or none)

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I don4t think this is a problem at all folks.. new ideas is the
beginning to the ultimate way of a tournament..

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T4 is my first tournament, and i like it, (but not the games haha)
But it would be fun to try another ways of competing!

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Just my 2 cents....

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QRS

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qrs@telia.com

I haven`t taken part in any MARP Tournaments yet, mainly due to time
restrictions, but a 'knockout' scenario as proposed by 'Vaz' does
appeal to me. BenJos et al do have some very valid points, but as
this new format ( at time of writing ) will run side-by-side with the
regular Tournament, I see no problem here. Take part if you want to,
if not, well don`t.

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I`ll have a go anyhow.

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AL

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alexweir@indigo.ie

one question.who is the ELITE??
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-from NEVER ELITE (rank 87)

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weavuspert@yahoo.co.jp