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I've reviewed the games, and stand by what I've said in my first post,
but would also like to add a concern about leeching in Green Beret.
Like Parsley, I don't see how it can be regulated in the game, and I
think allowing it will just be setting ourselves up for judging
problems.

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5, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17 would be my eliminations due to
repetition/problems.

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qan@home.com

Well first off, you guys still owe me Badlands. =)
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But my opinions:

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*1. Pole Position - Racing - If MAME 36 TG comes out - fine.

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Out IMO due to maximum score.

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2. Pnickies(that's why I said that) - Puzzle - I don't think the slow
computer thing is a problem - might have to use sound off though.

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Fine with that. And there isn't a problem with slow computers.

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*3. Street Fighter II - Fighter - now Barry requested this to be in
if MAME 36 was released... although it can be played on MAME 35 -
should be consider that to be a game if MAME 36 is out or not? I have
no opinion on this as of yet.

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Fine with me...

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4. Arkanoid II - Breakout - fine.

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Out due to point leeching...unless it's an order to take the left
path around that area. In which case it's fine.

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5. Green Beret - Action Shooter - fine.

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I love this game. No problem with this.

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6. Gaplus - Vertical Shooter - fine.

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Umm...iffy on this.

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7. Sega Ninja - ? - fine unless there's a repeat somewhere

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Looks droll. =)

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8. 1943 KAI - Vertical Shooter - dog gone it - it violates the 1
game / type rule - so I have to give the opinion to throw it out

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1943 Kai is a scrolling vertical shooter. This may be a different
category from Gaplus. In which case, I'll accept.

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9. Solar Fox - ??????

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No go on anything vector.

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10. GunSmoke - ??????

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Sounds alright.

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11. Bubble Bobble - Platform I guess - fine.

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Fine, but I prefer Rainbow Islands

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12. Ghosts N' Goblins - Platform - Do you want more ghosts? - and I
think it's also a repeat.

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I hate this game. See ya.

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13. Galaxian - Vertical Shooter - out on 1 game / type

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Too old for my tastes. LOL

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14. Karate Champ - ??????

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Accepted. Favorite of mine.

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15. Magic Sword - Action Fighter I think... fine?

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A unique genre game. This may work.

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16. Rally X - Maze/Collect Em' Up - fine(unless one of those ???? is
otherwise)

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Too PacMan-ish.

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17. Klax - Puzzle - out cause of pnickies

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I would prefer this over Pnickies. Even if it's the 2K's, there's
still time for Klax. =P

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18. Tag Team - Sports - fine unless one of the above takes a similar
type

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Don't like. LOL See below.

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19. Pang - ??????

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I voted for this, and, as long as it's allowed (Pang! 3 was in a
tourney earlier), I'll do.

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20. Star Wars - 3D Shooter - fine

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Vector games annoy me. =)

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21. Pitfall II - platform I think - and therefore out.

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Not really a Pitfall fan...so nope.

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22. Championship Sprint - another questionable one - are we declaring
this a clone even though it's an original and has different tracks?

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Sure, you choose THIS instead of Badlands. Out anyway due to being
Super Sprint with two players.

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23. Pengo - ??????

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Only the Genesis version of Pengo (where can I find it? =) is cool.
No go.

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24. Wonderboy III - ??????

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I'm for this, I think.

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25. Moon Patrol - ??????

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Okay for me.

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26. WindJammers - Sports - out due to Tag Team

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Tag Team sucks...add this! =)

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27. Rainbow Islands - Platform - out

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Either Bubble Bobble or Rainbow Islands is fine.

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28. Super Breakout - Breakout - out

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Too dated. =P

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29. Bank Panic - ??????

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Seems confusing.

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30. Wonderboy - Platform - out

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Would rather play WB3. =)

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So, my preferences would be:
Pnickies (or Klax)
Street Fighter II
Arkanoid II (with added rules)
Green Beret
1943 Kai
Gaplus
Bubble Bobble/Rainbow Islands
Karate Champ
Magic Sword
Pang
Wind Jammers

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And I still want Badlands. =P
If Arkanoid II is banned, replace with Moon Patrol

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sportsdude820@hotmail.com

Some more comments:
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Pole Position: Also of note is that there are some speed issues here.
I tried it on a P166 and I was getting 8 frames per second (with
sound off). I'm getting a new computer next week so that shouldn't be
a problem with me, but still...what are we considering our low end?

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Arkanoid 2: I finally came up with somewhat acceptable settings using
a gamepad, but it still is jerky. I think this has to do more with
system speed than with settings. (P166 again) It is playable, though.

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Street Fighter 2: P166 speed problems only on the Balrog fight
because the background is moving so much.

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Pnickies: With P166 again, no speed problems if sound is off.

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Gaplus settings: it can be set to have only 2 extra lives obtainable
by getting points. Using only that + the 3 starting lives should keep
away the marathon. However, we may still want to tweak the
difficulty -- I'd say up to 3 or 4. But note that increasing the
difficulty might give the experts the advantage since the new players
will get frustrated more easily.

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Solar Fox: I've heard it called a maze game, a platform game, and a
vector game. It is none of these. (Closest to being a maze game, but
it still doesn't fit the format.) Please try it before posting,
before someone starts thinking it is a sports game.

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jdyer@u.arizona.edu

I have no real problems with the speed of CPS-1 games (SF2, Pnickies,
Magic Sword). SF2 is the slower of them all, mostly due a faster CPU
than regular CPS-1 games and also line-based scrolling (ie: the
floor). For me, on a P2-233MHz w/ 64MB RAM, I get an average of
30fps, usually dragged down by slow palette fading, and the extensive
palette (ie: it overflows) used on Balrog's on SF2. During normal
play auto-frameskip gives around a fskip of 3 or 4 - perfectly
playable. Of course 233MHz is considered bottom of the range these
days, just barely enough for new games. I pity anyone that still has
a 486 though...

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bsr@hn.pl.net

Here's my unbiased analysis of the randomizer results...
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These games should be IN: #2--Pnickies (Puzzle), #3--SF 2 0.35 version
(One on One Fighter), #4--Arkanoid 2 (Breakout), #5--***Green Beret***
(Platform Fighter), #6--Galpus (Vertical Shooter), #9--Solar Fox
(Maze), #11--Bubble Bobble (One Screen Platform a.k.a. Action),
#18--Tag Team Wrestling (Sports)

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These are out because...
#1--Pole Position (Racing) Also, MAME 0.36 won't be ready. How come no
one complained about the controls on MARBLE MADNESS???
#7--Sega Ninja (Platform Fighter)
#8--1943 KAI (Vertical Shooter)
#10--Gunsmoke (Vertical Shooter)
#12--GNG (Platform Fighter)
#13--Galaxian (Vertical Shooter)
#14--Karate Champ (Platform Fighter)
#15--Magic Sword (Platform Fighter)
#16--Rally X (Maze)
#17--Klax (Puzzle)

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*** Personally I think #15 Magic Sword would be a better T4 game than
#5 Green Beret. I think A LOT of recordings would get tossed out for
points leeching.

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laffaye@ibm.net

When was this no more than one game each type rule decided, I think
it was two games some time ago?

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Also in my opinion this rule sucks somewhat, atleast how it's carried
out. As I see it there was at T3 three samekind of games(platform):
Xenophobe, Ghouls and Ninjakidx are truly in the same category-
jumping, going forward and shooting enemies. So there was something
very wrong when choosing games for T3. Those 3 games bored me to the
extreme, and according to that poll made I was not only one bored
with them. Also there were Amidar and Ladybug-both being kinda same
type of maze games. Not that I cared, it's very essential type of
classic game.

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Important thing is not gategorizing games, but figuring out which of
the games has allmost identical GAMEPLAY. Some games can simply not
be categorized at all, because they're kind of unique. Furthermore
there are not enough kategories.

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example: Previous post in this thread: Arkanoid(breakout)-what
category is that?

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Galaxian(vertical shooter), Gunsmoke(vertical shooter)- They are
definitely not same kind of games, gameplay is whole different(think
about controls that you would use as playing them...). What ever
happened to term "shoot them up"?

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Klax(puzzle)- Is there really any same kind of game to be compared
with Klax?

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SF2(oneononefighter), Tagteamwrestling(sports?????)- Why Karate Champ
is not sports then? Aren't SF2 and Wrestling the same kind of games?
Is sports really a reasonable category? Would you think that 10 yard
fight and Hypersports are same kind of game? What about "action"
then, is it somekind of dump kategory

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Oh this helped a lot. Maybe not you gameboy, but good therapy for me.
My advice is to try all the games and use common sense, that's all
for now.

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tiihoto@hotmail.com

What does "MAME 36 won't be ready" mean?<p>

I'm curious.

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Mark

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cubeman@iname.com