During the last public meeting on IRC's #marp channel, one of the topics was the regular MARP tournament. It seemed like there was a lot less interest in T5 than there had been in T4 and T3. It may have been coincidence or simply that the games were, generally speaking, less interesting than those in previous tournaments, but, nevertheless, it won't hurt to try and make the MARP tournaments more enjoyable.
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The main issues raised during that public meeting were:
(1) The tournament lasts too long.
(2) Too many games.
(3) Not enough time in between tournaments.
(4) Interference with KoA.
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I know that not everybody agrees with all these points, but I think that the attendants in general felt more or less that these were the most important issues.
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Since there are going to be some KoA meetings on IRC next week, I should like to wait and see what comes out of those, so that we can make sure that regular MARP tournament decisions won't interfere with the KoA tournament.
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So after those meetings, I should like to get people's opinions on frequency of MARP tournaments, number of games, etc., because it would be a shame if the interest in the tournaments kept dwindling. With everybody's input on these issues, and seeing how we have gained quite a few new MARPers recently, I have good hopes that T6, T7, T8, etc. will be successful.
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Cheers,
Ben Jos.
(In his opening speech as MARP Tournament Coordinator.)
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walbeehm@walbeehm.com
The future of the regular MARP tournaments
Moderator: Chad
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QRS
Well first I must welcome Ben Jos MARP´s new tournament c.
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here is my view of a better tournament:
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1. I think there should be about 4-6 games instead of 8
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2. Two month is too long, let´s cut it to one month instead.
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3. Maybe she time between tournamnets should be 1 month instead of
two..I´m not sure about that. I let the majority chose that:)
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Just my two cents (or "ören" in swedish:)
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regards
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QRS
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qrs@telia.com
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here is my view of a better tournament:
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1. I think there should be about 4-6 games instead of 8
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2. Two month is too long, let´s cut it to one month instead.
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3. Maybe she time between tournamnets should be 1 month instead of
two..I´m not sure about that. I let the majority chose that:)
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Just my two cents (or "ören" in swedish:)
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regards
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QRS
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qrs@telia.com
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Rank-55
do you think the value of difference between top and second is same as 13th and 14th??<br>
Cullent system is reasonable when only very very highlevel players gather.<br>
not enough now.<br>in other word,MARP tournament is not competition of world championship.(you know)<br>
period.<br>
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weavuspert@yahoo.co.jp
Cullent system is reasonable when only very very highlevel players gather.<br>
not enough now.<br>in other word,MARP tournament is not competition of world championship.(you know)<br>
period.<br>
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weavuspert@yahoo.co.jp
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Tommi
Maybe the games of T5 were not so interesting. IMHO 2 months is too
long time between tournaments. If you skip a tournament, because
games chosen are not good enough, with current system you'll have to
wait for 6months untill next tournament!!!!! Sucky
Maybe 5 games would be good for 1 month, and month between
tournaments.
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Hisa, Surely MARP tournament is not a Worldchampionship, but there
are many very good players anyway. Maybe you're right, maybe 1st spot
at a game should earn more points than rest, maybe 5? I had 3 first
spots at T3(a bit luck of the games chosen
, and finished 4th, I
had about 3 not so good placings too, at games I didn't like much.
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Hisa, maybe you'll join next tournament, I'm sure you'll find some
good competition there/here. The variation of gametypes is also a
factor.
I'm sure not even you can't get "finished, all clear" at every game
you play...
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friendly, Tommi
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tiihoto@hotmail.com
long time between tournaments. If you skip a tournament, because
games chosen are not good enough, with current system you'll have to
wait for 6months untill next tournament!!!!! Sucky
Maybe 5 games would be good for 1 month, and month between
tournaments.
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Hisa, Surely MARP tournament is not a Worldchampionship, but there
are many very good players anyway. Maybe you're right, maybe 1st spot
at a game should earn more points than rest, maybe 5? I had 3 first
spots at T3(a bit luck of the games chosen
, and finished 4th, I had about 3 not so good placings too, at games I didn't like much.
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Hisa, maybe you'll join next tournament, I'm sure you'll find some
good competition there/here. The variation of gametypes is also a
factor.
I'm sure not even you can't get "finished, all clear" at every game
you play...
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friendly, Tommi
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tiihoto@hotmail.com
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Chad
It seems everyone wants to play less games, and i'm continuously in
the minority, this time thinking more games the better. There is a
big disadvantage of having less games, the winner doesn't have to be
good at a very wide variety of games. Anything lower than 8 games,
would simply turn into a free for all for a limited number of
players. The more games you have the better the competition will be,
more chance for non BBH's to win a tournament. Heck if there were
two more game in the last tournament, Brian might NOT have had such
an insurmountable lead.
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Of course there is the boredom factor, of playing too many games (cry
me a river.) Anyone who can enjoy playing 10 games and do relativley
good at all of them deserves to be a champion more than someone who
wins a 6 game tournament because they wined about playing 8 in the
last.
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churritz@cts.com
the minority, this time thinking more games the better. There is a
big disadvantage of having less games, the winner doesn't have to be
good at a very wide variety of games. Anything lower than 8 games,
would simply turn into a free for all for a limited number of
players. The more games you have the better the competition will be,
more chance for non BBH's to win a tournament. Heck if there were
two more game in the last tournament, Brian might NOT have had such
an insurmountable lead.
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Of course there is the boredom factor, of playing too many games (cry
me a river.) Anyone who can enjoy playing 10 games and do relativley
good at all of them deserves to be a champion more than someone who
wins a 6 game tournament because they wined about playing 8 in the
last.
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churritz@cts.com
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BBH
ummmm, nothing BUT non-BBH's have won past tournaments. and yes,
I agree that the more games the merrier.
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-a BBH
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lordbbh@aol.com
and yes, I agree that the more games the merrier.
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-a BBH
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lordbbh@aol.com
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Gameboy9
It should have been 10 games - two months from the start actually.
Yes - it's the same number of games as the MAME decatholon, but it
definatly avoids a lot of "burn-outs". Get down to 6 games and it'll
start being a specialty tournament. Even with the one game / genre
rule. It should be 10 games, no more than two per general genre
(shooter, puzzle, etc., not horizontal shooter, vertical shooter,
etc.)
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goldengameboy@yahoo.com
Yes - it's the same number of games as the MAME decatholon, but it
definatly avoids a lot of "burn-outs". Get down to 6 games and it'll
start being a specialty tournament. Even with the one game / genre
rule. It should be 10 games, no more than two per general genre
(shooter, puzzle, etc., not horizontal shooter, vertical shooter,
etc.)
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goldengameboy@yahoo.com
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BeeJay
Put me down in the camp for having 8-10 games.
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As Chad said, any less than 8 and it's not a true reflection of
across the board gameplaying skills.
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Also, I think part of the reason less people are taking part is more
due to the frequency of the tournaments. I personally found T1 very
draining particularly in the last couple of weeks and Deca2000 was
even worse - not that that's a Marp Tournament of course.
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So, while the length of the tournament could perhaps be shortened, if
you really feel burnout on the games is a problem, remember that
people who don't know the games do need time to get into them
properly in order to be able to truly compete against someone who
already knows the game well. I guess those of us who would prefer a
longer gap between tournaments can simply skip a tournament (or
several if they're that frequent).
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BeeJay.
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mamester@i4free.co.nz
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As Chad said, any less than 8 and it's not a true reflection of
across the board gameplaying skills.
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Also, I think part of the reason less people are taking part is more
due to the frequency of the tournaments. I personally found T1 very
draining particularly in the last couple of weeks and Deca2000 was
even worse - not that that's a Marp Tournament of course.
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So, while the length of the tournament could perhaps be shortened, if
you really feel burnout on the games is a problem, remember that
people who don't know the games do need time to get into them
properly in order to be able to truly compete against someone who
already knows the game well. I guess those of us who would prefer a
longer gap between tournaments can simply skip a tournament (or
several if they're that frequent).
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BeeJay.
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mamester@i4free.co.nz
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Chad
hmm, that is true: BBH's haven't actually won in past tournaments, so
i guess the non-BBH's do have a chance!
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Hisa: the MARP tournament and DECA are not a world championship for
one game, they are world championships for game players. I think the
scoring system is wonderfull in the marp tournaments, and i think it
might even provide a challenge to you Hisa because even if you can
beat everyone by millions in one game others can still beat you by
one point in two games and they'll beat you in the tournement! It
rewards people skilled in many facets of game play.
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churritz@cts.com
i guess the non-BBH's do have a chance!
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Hisa: the MARP tournament and DECA are not a world championship for
one game, they are world championships for game players. I think the
scoring system is wonderfull in the marp tournaments, and i think it
might even provide a challenge to you Hisa because even if you can
beat everyone by millions in one game others can still beat you by
one point in two games and they'll beat you in the tournement! It
rewards people skilled in many facets of game play.
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churritz@cts.com