MAHJONG GAMES : scoring system

[phil]

As I know mahjong, I worked in the jungle of MAME mahjong
games : all these games have sometimes different rules and
almost always different presentation, aims to reach or
scoring system.

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That's why , so that players' task become a little easier,
I classified these games and tried to determinate a logical
scoring system which can also be homogen for all of them .
And I think I find it ...

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THE RULES :
I won't talk about them : there are so complicated
that even in my native french language it's a pain to
explain them ; so I let you search in some books or sites
talking about this game.

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A GAME :
3 results are possible
*you make a mahjong and it gives you points
*your opponent make a mahjong and it substracts you points
*nobody make mahjong (a sort of tie) and most of the time
there is a kind of random "stone/cissors/paper" which gives
you +1500 , -1500 or 0

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A WIN (when you defeat your opponent) :
I classified games in 3 distinct categories
1°) TYPE A :
you can read 2 scores : yours (usually you start with 1500)
and your opponent's score (various : 10000 , 20000 ... it
depends on the game).
As when you earn points they are substracted to your opponent,
the aim is to bring your opponent under 0 (you can do that
with 1 brilliant mahjong which gives lot of points or with
several games).
EXAMPLES : galkoku, mjcamera, mjlstory, mjnanpas, msjiken,
ntopstar, otonano, peepshow ...

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2°) TYPE A' :
You can read only 1 score : yours
The aim is to keep your score positive and to make 3 mahjongs
(sometimes 2) to defeat your opponent

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3°) TYPE B :
Bet games ... only 1 mahjong to win , it gives you credits ,
you can bet with them like casino games or goldstar (for
those who hasn't play this game, it's asterisqued on marp
because he disappeared since several versions)

SCORING SYSTEM :
* GAMES OF TYPES A & A' (A like "additive system") :
1 win = 100000 + final pts when you win ;
score = total wins + highest pts reached when you lost

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* GAMES OF TYPE B (B like "bet system") :
I'm still studying it, and will post that soon

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It was really headache to make simple with such
complicated games , and I hope this contribution
will help (thanks to Lagavulin for his help)

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PHIL

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ps : of course I'm volunteer to confirm scores on
mahjong games ; but it will be kind from all players
to notice their additional scores like I do ;
and beware : a lot of mahjong games need to
be recorded with SOUND OFF

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plamat@club-internet.fr

[Brian McLean]

It was my understanding that if nobody had a mahjong at the end of a
round, it wasn't random chance that decided if anybody had to pay. If
you're one tile away from finishing, that's called a different kind
of hand (tenpai comes to mind for some reason) than if you're not
about to make a mahjong. If both are one away or if neither is one
away, then nobody pays. If one is and one isn't, the person that's
farther away either puts more money in the pot or pays the closer
person directly (I believe I've seen both in different mahjong games).

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Just so you know.

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Cheers,
Brian

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bmclean84@hotmail.com

[Rank-52(Japanese)]

Mahjong game is not scoring one but simply beat girls and to see
visual.<br>
scoreing is completely nonsence.

-----from original majong country.


How many people know the rule of those game who live foreign country?
?

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weavuspert@yahoo.co.jp

[Lagavulin]

No, Rank52, Mahjong games scoring is NOT nonsense. In original
Mahjong, as you should know, there IS a scoring system, and the aim
of this game is certainly not nudity of girl ...

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darre@noos.fr

[AL]

These Mahjong games ( and there are bloody loads of them ), are they
in the same league as 'Poker Ladies 'and the like ? i.e a bit of
sense/understanding to play the games , but basically down to pure
luck in the end ,depending on what the CPU / Computer gives you ? And
a glimpse of some female flesh as your incentive? ( nothing wrong
with that of course , I`ll be the first to admit that )

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Of course I could be wrong here. Probably am , I`m on my 21st ( yes
21st) can of Fosters.
My point is ( well sort of ), is there a serious element of skill
involved ? If so , cool. I`m just too lazy or drunk to try to find
out myself. My Japanese isn`t up to scratch anyhow. If it`s a luck-
factor ,well then no LB points should be awarded , as per other games
with suffered the same fate. Still play + upload , but no LB points.

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Now the thing is, I could be completely wrong here.Probably am , and
will accept all flames. Maybe they are games of pure skill and
ability, but if they are ' Casino -type games '.......well " nil
points " ( no offence to any Norwegian 'Eurovision Song Contest'
entries....WHAT ??? don`t worry , it`s a European thing....the joke
that is )

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But hey , I`ve never seen any of these games in an arcade , or a
pub/bar/saloon..whatever. Just as well really , cos they look a bit
complicated , judging by Phils post above about the scoring
mechanisms.
I can`t believe I`ve answered a post about a game(s) which I haven`t
played for more than 5 seconds. But when your as drunk as I am now ,
at 1200 GMT , with feck-all to do , sure why not ?

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So, are these games skillfull and worthy of LB points , or am I
talking thru my a**e ( thats "arse" , for non-english speakers )

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I`m off to check one of them now. Chances are I`ll be asleep after 5
seconds....or quite possibly playing for a few hours ! Yes , still
got a few beers left.

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Apologies for waffling , and getting eventually (?) to my point, but
hey it`s Christmas..,nope it`s the New Year , actually the start of
the 3rd Millenium. "Alex, Alex.....please stop now."

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Definitely a rather 'David Oliver / JD Lowe -type post this. Mostly
meaningless ( LOL ! ), but....what was it again??? oh yeah , my
query about those Mahjong games.

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If any of you have had the patience to read this , i commend you.It`s
taken me about an hour to type this. Typing when very,very drunk ,is
not easy ( ask Zwaxy ), but I`m a grammer-freak and hate mis-spelling
words. "It`s a Guiness thing..." as Mr.Lowe would say , and keep at
it,and at it..( mis-spelling 'Guinness '..that is )

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Hope I haven`t offended anyone with my drunken waffle , or belittled
the original post set by Phil. But just asking a question about the
Mahjong games , thats all.

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Oh...btw...Zwaxy isn`t a wino. I never said that. But he comes across
as a cool geezer ( ye can gimme that tenner later Chris ).Like me ,he
likes...ahem...err a 'few pints ' .
Think I better go now before I go into 'Ben-Jos-post-mode ' which I`m
nearly at now , word-wise.
I`ll regret this in the morning , I know,.....Actually tits , it is
morning.
But hey , Pubs are open so it`s off for a 'curer'...not that I need
one ,it`ll give me something to do and put an end to this post.

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Cheers everyone !

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AL ( waiting for flames for a) time/msg board wasting, b)
err..babbling on about whatever it was I was talking about , and more
importantly c) mega-flames from the Mahjong players. Why the f*** did
I even bother with this post ? it`s taken me an hour so far.

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p.s Phil , didn`t mean to distract from your post , honestly. But
your French , so you might understand ( my drunken state )
No offence , but I hear you French are fond of a bottle or four

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p.p.s hope to God , one of those Mahjong games isn`t the next KOA
game. Now that would be strange.....Chris Parsley , you wouldn`t ,
would you ?

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p.p.p.s QRS ( or anyone ), if you decide to visit here....you know
what to expect

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outta here......." thank God " ,I hear you say...


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alexweir@indigo.ie

[Chris Moore]

Pure class, AL. Excellent meandering post. I congratulate you on the
quantity of your drinking, if not the quality. Wasn't it you who told
me that Holsten Export was 'muck', and now you admit to drinking
Fosters? Tut tut!

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I know nothing about Mahjong - I tried reading a book on it once, but
didn't get past the 'deciding who sits where and building the wall'
stage. The game itself is a game of skill, I believe, but I don't
know how much it loses in the translation to the arcade. Imagine
adcade chess - it wouldn't be quite so strategic as the 'real thing',
and the queens would probably have laser guns or something.

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Your post made me laugh out loud. I envy you (if not your hangover) -
I'm back in work after a long break and would much rather be in the
pub or in bed asleep. Yawn. Was up all night playing flying shark
and drinking Guinnnesss. The one affects the quality of the other,
unfortunately.

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I'll stop wasting everyone's time now. Enjoy the rest of the sesh! )

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Chris.

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chris.moore@mail.com

[Lagavulin]

Alex,<p>

For Mahjong video games, you don't really need "skills" like
speed or precision, but you need strategy and you need to think to
what you play. Of course, you have to be lucky too. But not in a way
that would lead us to throw out these games from the leaderboard.
Nothing to see with games such as goldstar or sucasino, or what else
...

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darre@noos.fr