Tourney 3 - Time for the debate, and we'll do it with these

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Sandman

Post by Sandman »

Ok, here goes "nothing"...
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1) Gauntlet II - It'll almost seem unusual (to me) to play this game
solo, but otherwise, ok.

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2) Amidar-I've concerns about "marathon" games too, especially since
the tournaments have resulted in many new 1st place scores in games
selected. I've really only played this on Atari 2600, so if other
settings and/or clones are acceptable to the community, fine by me,
otherwise I'd leave it out.

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3) Zero Zone-Seems to be at least "based on" Columns, which
unfortunately can't serve as a substitute. Personally, I could take
it or (if others are especially worried about the nudity) leave it.

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4) Burning Rubber-Bump (cars into the sides) and Jump (to avoid
obstacles) type of game :)! No problems here.

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5) Lady Bug-Eat "dots", avoid monsters. I gues we'll have (at least)
one of these types of games every tournament, so this one will do.

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6) Xenophobe-Side scroller, with each button serving several "tasks"
(mainly shooting, jumping, etc.)Different enough to make it.

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7) Marble Madness; 10) Ghouls N' Ghosts; 16) Magic Sword. These are
the only games I (and probably most people) might not be able to keep
above a speed of 90%, as the rules demand. I'll keep trying, but I
think this is definitely a good enough reason to not include them.

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8) Turtles -Might be in, if Amidar's out. I'd prefer 12) Devil Fish,
which (IMHO)is the same type, but I suppose that's a different story.

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11) Tron-Multi-game, in sort of the Combat School and/or Track and
Field category. Which somehow doesn't discourage me from saying "In".

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13) Ninja Kid II -Platform. Haven't played it enough to see
anything "special", but appears acceptable.

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14) Tempest-360 shooter, much like Gyruss. Ok.

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15) City Connection -Hmm, maybe "maze"? The objective at least is
more similar to Crush Roller than Burning Rubber, Super Sprint, Pole
Position, etc. But if its bugged and/or a candidate for points
leeching, as others have suggested, I say get rid of it.

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17) Outzone; 19) Sega Ninja. I'd say they're closer to Ikari Warriors
than Gauntlet. I'm not sure either will make it, but one or the other
would be fine.

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18) The Main Event-Ugh! There's better wrestling games than this
(some of which I don't have scores for :)!), which is the
only "fighting" type of game I can think of where a) you lose energy
just for standing around, and b) there's only 1 "attack" button.
Hopefully, this doesn't make the "cut".

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20) Kangaroo - Possible point leeching. If the selection process
actually gets down this far, feel free to pass this one by, too.

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The "bottom" four I'd accept, but it doesn't look any of them will
make it, however they are classified.

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You'll notice I left (purposely) left out one: 9) 10 Yard Fight.
Since I nominated it (call it whimsy, if you must), I'll let others
judge whether it's "worthy". I WILL say that I think that this
wouldn't be a difficult game for people (American or not) to learn,
probably less than several other games in this list, and certain less
complex than 2020 Baseball from T1. I'd also be willing to help out
anyone who can't "grasp" the rules. I might even volunteer to judge
it if it makes it so that any questions eventually pass my way, but
that's another subject/thread...

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Cicca

Post by Cicca »

I personally don't know most of the selected games, and actually I
don't have the time, nor the mood, to go and play them a little to
make myself an opinion of them (many wise points of view have been
exposed yet)....as in T1 and T2, I keep myself out of the games
decisions, and I'll play both good and boring games you all will
choose.
I just wish to tell a word on Amidar, a game I like and I know pretty
well...I agree it could be a "marathon" game (even if only two
players actually "broke" it), but please consider that those records
have been achieved with def. settings (3 lives, extra at 30k and
every 50k), while TG foresees 3 lives but extras at 50k and every 80k.
If we want to avoid any risk of "marathoning", let's pick up Amidaro,
as MVdV suggested (BTW, MVdV, I'm very pleased to see you back here
for T3.....that means no anger from you for what happened in T2, and
I appreciate this very much!)

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Cicca

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Tommi

Post by Tommi »

About "slowness": I had a P90 and I could play Marble Madness without
sound with good enough speed. I also used an option -noscanlines(or
was it nosync)which helped tremendously. For those of you who have
slow computers, try no sound, noscanlines, and ofcourse with really
slow ones change frameskip(games are still very playable with
frameskip of 30/60,). Now I have amdk6-2 300 and it plays perfectly
with full sound on.
Another issue is that soundtrack in MM absolutely awesome!!(by Hal
Canon,paperboy,peter packrat,720?...Atari(long live!)games)

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For comparison, a friend of mine has P60 with slow graphic card and
he can't even play joust or T&F without slowing down with sound.

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I don't think a game can be left out because some have only P9,99 or
so. Sure if a majority of competitors can't play a game, it should be
banned though.

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Not more than two same kind of games

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Nudity yes, although if that game sucks then no

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Ignore following comment: (No football games, I don't know the rules
and I expect it to suck deeply.)

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No marathon games. But what is the limit of marathon? A friend told
me he should play easily 500 000 at Gauntlet 2, which would take some
time. But he's best G2 player I know, he used to take my coins and
play me few thousand "health units" before I started to play...

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PS. I voted for Marble and Tron, so lady fortune has been favourable
for me... :)

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Aquatarkus

Post by Aquatarkus »

I went to go find both versions of Xenophobe this morning and see if
the arcade version is better. The problem with the conversion became
very obvious looking at them within a few minutes of each other.
Arcade - tons of creatures in a room, NES - 2 creatures in a room.
Not only can anyone beat NES Xenophobe, anyone can do a better job
making a Xenophobe clone.

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Not sure if I like the arcade game yet, but my earlier comment on it
was unfair.

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Aqua

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lagavulin

Post by lagavulin »

After a " Nuke France " delicately posted in a previous thread ,
Aquatarkus now gives us a splendid "France HAK - PTOOOIE" ( I guess he
means he spits to France in his own language ) , symbol , once again,
of his intelligence and his tendency to racism. Poor guy ...

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Olivier Millardet

Post by Olivier Millardet »

You are right.He is probably upset because of his performance at T2.
It seems that at least one french player ranked better than him.

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olivier.millardet@wanadoo.fr
Sandman

Post by Sandman »

In perhaps a refreshing change from the last two contributions (which
are at least off the subject at hand), I'd like to extend my thanks
to Tommi for his comments about how I (and others) might improve
their speed.

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Like I said, I kept experimenting, and I believe I can now achieve
the minimum speed for Marble Madness, Ghouls N' Ghosts and Magic
Sword by changing enough options. So I personally no longer have a
problem allowing these games in, although I'll listen to others'
concerns about speed and, in GnG's case, point leeching.

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msander@journey.com
Gameboy9

Post by Gameboy9 »

Sandman: Can you please give me the specs on your computer please?
I'm trying to figure out if I should throw out any games for slowness
or not.

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One more thing - it's GHOSTS N' Goblins where there's all the points
leeching, not GHOULS N' Ghosts. I guess it's still possible
however... I don't know how though... but we'll catch it :)

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Finally... I haven't gotten a reply for that 5 lives / no extras in
Amidar from Mark Longridge... but to my knowledge that's usually Twin
Galaxies' tournament settings when a marathon comes about like Amidar
as two people have demonstrated. The actual machine record is 2 1/4
million... although this was made in 1985, it's quite possible to do
here in 2000.

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In addition, extra lives of 50K and 80K thereafter are impossible to
set in MAME - we'd have to do 50K and 50K thereafter, which is not TG
compliant - I'm game to do 5 lives and no extras which would avoid
any sense of marathons.

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I'm thinking of extending the deadline of this debate by two days
because it's been quite heated :) Any objections?

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Chad

Post by Chad »

Extending the deadline might be usefull but i dunno if there's much
else to be said after what's all been said :)

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It is certainly possible to points leech in Ghouls but i don't think
it can be as extravigant as gng, they are two different versions on
the same theme. You should set up a standard for points leeching just
in case. I.e. if you die in a level where points leeching was
involved then the rec should be disqualified, or no points leeching
for more than 10 seconds of game time....

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That's really cool that you can play Ghouls sandman, it's a very fun
game to play and to WATCH, i hope it's not disqualified just because
people couldn't figure out how to use the -sound 0 and -frameskip auto
parameters of mame.

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Olivier Millardet

Post by Olivier Millardet »

ok ! seems that things are clear now for the tournament !!
could you just give us a link for downloading the modified mame
version that we will have to use ? thanks !

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.......and good luck everybody !!

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