99 recording submitted, and not even in the top 50... is it worth it?
<p>
I really can't understand why someone would submit a score of 650 on a version of Space Invaders.
<p>
Isn't stuff like this just wasting space on the hd, and wasting resources?
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crash@tcp.co.uk
Is it worth it?
Moderator: Chad
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phil lamat
I completely agree with you , Crash ...
Wouldn't it be better to come back to the 10-3-1 ranking ? It
privileges quality instead of quantity
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plamat@club-internet.fr
Wouldn't it be better to come back to the 10-3-1 ranking ? It
privileges quality instead of quantity
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plamat@club-internet.fr
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Dave Kaupp
In an arcade I used to play at, they had a list of everygame that
ever was in that arcade. The manager kept had a list of just about
everyone who played at the arcade, when someone beat there personel
high score, they showed it to someone on duty and there score was
recorded in the list.
<p>
There where scores listed that where less than 1% of the top place
score.
<p>
There where no medal points nor a leaderboard.
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info@kaupp.cx
ever was in that arcade. The manager kept had a list of just about
everyone who played at the arcade, when someone beat there personel
high score, they showed it to someone on duty and there score was
recorded in the list.
<p>
There where scores listed that where less than 1% of the top place
score.
<p>
There where no medal points nor a leaderboard.
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info@kaupp.cx
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Q.T.Quazar
Can't we all just let this thread die in peace? It's like
the moebius strip from philosophical hell. If someone wants to post a
lame recording, let them. The recordings do not cause a problem with
space because they are tiny, period. They also provide new players
with a tangible rank, and let them introduce themselves to the
community at MARP. Not all of us are going to post 10 mil at Bubble
Bobble right upon arrival. Just let these recordings be... and if
there's ever a problem with space or script overflow, I'm sure Zwaxy
will let us know. If the player's score isn't good enough to send me
an automatic e-mail, then I really don't care about it. And I get
around 30 score e-mails a day, often for scores that I posted which I
thought were good. Like Dave implied, one man's trash is another man's
treasure. And for those who argue that this is a PLAYBACK site, well,
this way, it at least gives those weaker players somewhere reliable to
store their .inps, and maybe even pick up a few tips from the pros on
their playing style. I'm sure that if those of you who do not like
having to WATCH these INNUMERABLE recordings actually took the time to
e-mail the players concerned and provide helpful hints as to how to
improve on a score like 650 on Space Invaders, certain players posting
these scores might hesitate a little before posting "sub-par"
recordings.
<p>
Now, why don't we focus our energy toward setting up a tournament that
everyone wants to play in? I sure as hell won't be joining this one,
so I think I'll go back to trying to learn Mahjongg on the NeoGeo.
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qan@home.com
the moebius strip from philosophical hell. If someone wants to post a
lame recording, let them. The recordings do not cause a problem with
space because they are tiny, period. They also provide new players
with a tangible rank, and let them introduce themselves to the
community at MARP. Not all of us are going to post 10 mil at Bubble
Bobble right upon arrival. Just let these recordings be... and if
there's ever a problem with space or script overflow, I'm sure Zwaxy
will let us know. If the player's score isn't good enough to send me
an automatic e-mail, then I really don't care about it. And I get
around 30 score e-mails a day, often for scores that I posted which I
thought were good. Like Dave implied, one man's trash is another man's
treasure. And for those who argue that this is a PLAYBACK site, well,
this way, it at least gives those weaker players somewhere reliable to
store their .inps, and maybe even pick up a few tips from the pros on
their playing style. I'm sure that if those of you who do not like
having to WATCH these INNUMERABLE recordings actually took the time to
e-mail the players concerned and provide helpful hints as to how to
improve on a score like 650 on Space Invaders, certain players posting
these scores might hesitate a little before posting "sub-par"
recordings.
<p>
Now, why don't we focus our energy toward setting up a tournament that
everyone wants to play in? I sure as hell won't be joining this one,
so I think I'll go back to trying to learn Mahjongg on the NeoGeo.
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qan@home.com
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stephen krogman
Dave, do you know the manager or any one that works in that arcade
that may still have all those scores? Also, how long do you think
they kept track of players high scores on the games they had on their
floor? Reason why is because if I could get a copy of all the scores
or any for that matter on most or all of the games he had their over
the years, they could be considered for the next edition of the Twin
Galaxies Book of World Records. Please get back to me or if you can
just give me some info how to get ahold of someone there (phone #,
contact point) and either Walter Day or myself will give them a call.
<p>
Regards,
Steve Krogman
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skrogman@bellsouth.net
that may still have all those scores? Also, how long do you think
they kept track of players high scores on the games they had on their
floor? Reason why is because if I could get a copy of all the scores
or any for that matter on most or all of the games he had their over
the years, they could be considered for the next edition of the Twin
Galaxies Book of World Records. Please get back to me or if you can
just give me some info how to get ahold of someone there (phone #,
contact point) and either Walter Day or myself will give them a call.
<p>
Regards,
Steve Krogman
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skrogman@bellsouth.net
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stephen krogman
I agree with both Crash and Phil about going back to the old points
method used for the leaderboard.
<p>
Just my $0.03
<p>
Regards,
Steve Krogman
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skrogman@bellsouth.net
method used for the leaderboard.
<p>
Just my $0.03
<p>
Regards,
Steve Krogman
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skrogman@bellsouth.net
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Dave Kaupp
I don't recall the managaers name, but the Arcade was called
Electromania in Santee, Ca. They have been closed for many years.
<p>
He was in contact with some national high score commision at the
time, not sure who that was either. It was around '83 or so. A few of
the guys in the arcade had there scores recorded with this commision.
I remeber we had a compitition with an arcade in NY City once, the
commision may have been based there.
<p>
I had Tron for 100K when it first came out, which was promptly
defeated witin a matter of days. I had Zaxxon with 1.3 million which
lasted for a few months until I saw it beaten for over 2 million in a
competion in L.A. I don't recall anyones elses scores.
I'm not sure how authorative this high score commision was, but I
think my Zaxxon score was printed in an issue of Playboy or some other
Mag. along with some other scores.
<p>
I was only a teenager at the time and it was quite a few beers ago so
my memory is a bit hazy.
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info@kaupp.cx
Electromania in Santee, Ca. They have been closed for many years.
<p>
He was in contact with some national high score commision at the
time, not sure who that was either. It was around '83 or so. A few of
the guys in the arcade had there scores recorded with this commision.
I remeber we had a compitition with an arcade in NY City once, the
commision may have been based there.
<p>
I had Tron for 100K when it first came out, which was promptly
defeated witin a matter of days. I had Zaxxon with 1.3 million which
lasted for a few months until I saw it beaten for over 2 million in a
competion in L.A. I don't recall anyones elses scores.
I'm not sure how authorative this high score commision was, but I
think my Zaxxon score was printed in an issue of Playboy or some other
Mag. along with some other scores.
<p>
I was only a teenager at the time and it was quite a few beers ago so
my memory is a bit hazy.
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info@kaupp.cx
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Dave Kaupp
Of the three scoring systems, I prefer the tournament scoring system.
The more players per game, the more points available.
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info@kaupp.cx
The more players per game, the more points available.
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info@kaupp.cx
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Ben Jos Walbeehm
Crash: Are you referring to N.Kosaka? (Did I spell that correctly?
MARP is down, so I can't check.) Seems like we have an A.D. Sakuragi
clone. I said before that I think everybody is free to post scores
they're proud of, even if those scores are peanuts compared to the top
scores, but I hardly think that somebody who's going through the
entire alphabet, playing each game once, and uploading the result, no
matter how low, is actually proud of (the majority of) his scores...
<p>
I fully agree with you, but where do you draw the line? There are some
other people who post quite a lot, but at least their scores are
usually not of the play-once-on-to-the-next-game type. And at least
they've shown they are actually really good at several games as well.
There was a suggestion a while back to limit the amount of uploads per
week. I don't really know what happened with that, but I think that's
the best way to fight it. At least the mass-uploaders will be more or
less forced to upload only their best scores then...
<p>
Well... whatever... not my decision anyway...
<p>
Q.T.: The problem is not hard drive space, the problem is the CPU time
required for some of the scripts to process the unnecessary amount of
recordings. Zwaxy told me that especially sorting (which a lot
of the scripts do in one way or another) causes a big CPU problem...
<p>
Ben Jos.
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walbeehm@walbeehm.com
MARP is down, so I can't check.) Seems like we have an A.D. Sakuragi
clone. I said before that I think everybody is free to post scores
they're proud of, even if those scores are peanuts compared to the top
scores, but I hardly think that somebody who's going through the
entire alphabet, playing each game once, and uploading the result, no
matter how low, is actually proud of (the majority of) his scores...
<p>
I fully agree with you, but where do you draw the line? There are some
other people who post quite a lot, but at least their scores are
usually not of the play-once-on-to-the-next-game type. And at least
they've shown they are actually really good at several games as well.
There was a suggestion a while back to limit the amount of uploads per
week. I don't really know what happened with that, but I think that's
the best way to fight it. At least the mass-uploaders will be more or
less forced to upload only their best scores then...
<p>
Well... whatever... not my decision anyway...
<p>
Q.T.: The problem is not hard drive space, the problem is the CPU time
required for some of the scripts to process the unnecessary amount of
recordings. Zwaxy told me that especially sorting (which a lot
of the scripts do in one way or another) causes a big CPU problem...
<p>
Ben Jos.
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walbeehm@walbeehm.com
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Cicca
I'm afraid the Tournament scoring system is not applicable to the
Main Leaderboard....it means changing all the scores at any new
entry.....and since we're more than 250, and with an avg. of 4-5
newcomers a week....just try to figure what a mess could be !!!
IMO, the % scoring system is ok, but it's getting being abused.... My
proposal to set a limit for uploading (a certain % of the top score
of a game....not 50% -it was a provocation- but let's say 15-20)
would have helped to stop submitting trash without discouraging new
players......but it aborted.
Now, to give more evidence to quality players, we could: <br>
1) make 2 distinct leaderboards: 1 based on the 10-3-1 scoring
system, and 1 based on the % scoring system; <br>
2) sort the LB on the 10-3-1 player total score, and not on the %
total score.
Cicca
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cicca@writeme.com
Main Leaderboard....it means changing all the scores at any new
entry.....and since we're more than 250, and with an avg. of 4-5
newcomers a week....just try to figure what a mess could be !!!
IMO, the % scoring system is ok, but it's getting being abused.... My
proposal to set a limit for uploading (a certain % of the top score
of a game....not 50% -it was a provocation- but let's say 15-20)
would have helped to stop submitting trash without discouraging new
players......but it aborted.
Now, to give more evidence to quality players, we could: <br>
1) make 2 distinct leaderboards: 1 based on the 10-3-1 scoring
system, and 1 based on the % scoring system; <br>
2) sort the LB on the 10-3-1 player total score, and not on the %
total score.
Cicca
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cicca@writeme.com
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Crash
Ben Jos,
<p>
yup that's exactly who I mean. I too was under the impression that it
was the quantity of recordings which caused script problems. Since
the server is once again down and not processing the .cgi pages,
isn't it about time we voted some restrictions in to alleviate the
load?
<p>
Crash.
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crash@tcp.co.uk
<p>
yup that's exactly who I mean. I too was under the impression that it
was the quantity of recordings which caused script problems. Since
the server is once again down and not processing the .cgi pages,
isn't it about time we voted some restrictions in to alleviate the
load?
<p>
Crash.
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crash@tcp.co.uk
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PHIL
I think Cicca's right : let's sort the LB on the 10-3-1 ranking and
let's make a separate column we can click on it (I'm not sure my
english is good enough in this sentence) to view the % ranking
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plamat@club-internet.fr
let's make a separate column we can click on it (I'm not sure my
english is good enough in this sentence) to view the % ranking
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plamat@club-internet.fr