TRACK & CHEAT
I'm writing about this very popular topic, not to make anymore yes-no conversation or to vote about it, but to make an ending to it and hoping that somebody (zwaxy?) does something about it. So here we go!
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I have finally checked top 8 TRACKNFLD inps, except Krogman's(5.) which was recorded with winmame, and was amazed: THEY ARE ALL CHEATS!!!
How can I judge this?- I used to be VERY good in this game in the 80's: I played game which was set to continue after first round and could play it endlessly. We used to have quite a fierce competition in this game,and only one guy besides me ever run 100m under 7.60. My PB of 100m was 7.47 using sixfinger-system and buttons with "guards", which I thought would be very close to WR-and it is: Kelly Kobashikava, who is to my knowledge the world record holder of T&F(one round only) has run about 7.30 using eight finger method and no guards(which is slightly easier). After all this game is about having very fast fingers,and my other records are almost equal to 100meters record.
100m- 7.47
long jump-9.72 manymanytimes
javelin- 99.80 (I also threw couple of times over 100m "solo")
110m- 9.99 "solo" and 9.52 someone pushing jump button for me
hammer- 99.49 for this you have to get 3perfect 45 angles in a row with speed of 1484 into lower corner(I didn't use tapping, when it's possible to get 1500 speed and 99.99)
high jump- I think it was 2.49
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I've uploaded my current mame record of 92 300 -and no cheating. This is far best upload without cheating in MARP. Check it out and see how it looks if it's done fair. It also includes picture of my mame 100m record 7.74 with endspeed of 1254 (if anyone doubts this combination, I have also an inp-file of it).
Everyone who knows something about this game would admit that you get best results using buttons. With joystick or pad you just can't expect to get even close to speed that mastering six-to eight finger system gives you.
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If I recall right, I used to have at the end of 100m speed like 1280 -if it was a fast run. Best I could get could've been something like 1300-1310. I've never seen a long jump speed over 1500, although I recall having speed of 1497 ONCE-if you step right in the line, game gives you +50 cm/sec.
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There are couple of ways to master highjump-way1:tap with your both hands using your forefinger to alternate angles. Faster you tap, higher you rise. 2:at the beginning of jump use six fingers method to get maximum height and in the middle of jump switch to way1(this one takes some practice to master). Best solo jumps I've witnessed are something like 2.49-2.50. Best high jump records at the arcade were made threesome:couple of guys using sixfingers on both running buttons and one controlling angles button. This works only on "after throw" of javelin, high jump and hypersports. On T&F running events, this only slows down your speed. I think we got past 2.54 or 2.55 this way(cheating), getting speed that rises the back of your man to same level where audience starts, which is impossible solo. If you don't believe me, try it yourself...
About highjump scores: 2.47 is good, 2.48 is very good, 2.49 (I've mamejumped over this), 2.50 should be possible-atleast with arcade buttons (I have my doubts if anyone mamejumps over this),
2.51 CAN'T BE DONE WITHOUT CHEATING AND 2.52 DEFINITELY NOT-you simply can't get enough speed if you're playing solo to get over 2.51, and I really have to doubt any height over 2.49 . How can these guys who don't run under 8.5 in 100m, all jump over 2.52 since I'm having trouble with 2.48? Answer is: THEY ALL HAVE SOME KIND OF JOYPADS WITH AUTOFIRE, but are dared to use it in running events because of the critic that mr. Lamat had. But everyone? Maybe it's like this: If everyone else is doing it, why not me too?
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and here are those scores achieved by cheating:
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1. Phil Lamat 95 840-"Ben Johnson of videogames" (sorry Phil, couldn't resist that one)
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(-entering initials looks way too glumsy(no speed here...))
-100m 7.02 -would you really think that he is in hes own class compared to WR-holder Kelly K, using keyboard,joystick or whatever. This time is virtually same as they used to make with an electric toothbrush...
-long jump -power bar goes to speed of 1559(which is ridiculous), he doesn't even get right angle of 42 but instead he jumps with angle 43 and has the maximum jump of 9.72----and look at his other jumps, they're really poor: If you are good at running, you should have played so much that it would be easy to get your jump timed very close to line with right angle...
110m -9.15 not possible even if you're helped with friend pressing your jump button(or use mouse as a pedal...)
-javelin 1520 speed -if you take a hundred out of that, you're quite close to a maximum speed
-he really doesn't cheat on high jump, because don't know how...Imagine if he had even known about the 1000 points mole trick-then this would beat world record. Someone can't be so good(only on running) and not know these kind of things.
Someone has really "confirmed" this colossal bag of autofire?
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2. Renzo Vignola 94 490 -this recording may look real at first, but after closer look it's really a good cheat:
(-initial entering stage looks glumsy-every good player I've known always used sixfingers in this too.)
-100m 7.69 with end speed of 1359. My mame record is 7.74(so far) and enspeed was 1254, so there is only 0.05 sec difference in time and over a hundred cm/sec endspeed difference....!!!
-long jump -speed of 1447 without crossing line, and on 3. jump 1461 speed with line that gives +40 =1501speed. This might be possible, but two jumps with such a speed...you can't get that often maximums because speed depends on rhythm too, which is hard to master everytime(this is why you get different results each time running 100m with good start)
-110m 9.54, slightly touching last hurdle, yes, sure...
-javelin -1420 SPEED WHEN THROWING ALMOST 10 METERS AWAY FROM THE LINE, simply not possible. It's in the very end of run you pull out speed that rocks.
-high jump 2.51 -jumping very far away and still easily over. Looks like he would have jumped over 2.55 if he didn't have decided not to even try after 2.51...
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3. Dith 91 000
How is it possible to run 100m 8.72 and still get over 2.52 at high jump
4. Stig Remnes 89 790
-high jump 2.52
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6. gameguru 88 640
-javelin - You should always tap buttons after a throw, this way you get longer throws. With a friend tapping other button using six fingers and me tapping other, we could get very long throws, sometimes well over 100meters. Gameguru didn't have very good speed(only about 1300), but still couple of very long throws(you never throw very far with first attempt or after "foul"). So this one shows very clearly that there is similar speed cheat used as in high jump...
-high jump 2.52
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7. kra 88 000
No other cheating on this one except he played over 1 round, finishing off in javelin of 2. round
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8. joustgod 87 020
high jump 2.52
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Sad, I suspect all the clones look same, and whatabout hypersports then?
Well anyway we should dump these scores and begin with a fresh start at least for tracknfld "official romset".
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ps. word is free, who is first to "confess". Comments appreciated only if you're an "expert" and don't give us "it could be possible with joystick" bullshit
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a bit rough, eh?
Tommi
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