MARP Tournament - Unofficial Rules

Gameboy9 · Post by **Gameboy9** » Mon Jun 14, 1999 12:30 pm

I've been given the go ahead to get this tournament started, so I'm going to take coordination and get it started as soon as possible - I'm looking forward to this exciting and hopefully historical event.

I feel that it's most fair that all participants have a say on what the rules are going to be. There are a few rules that I'm going to lock, for one reason or another... so here we go...



XXX - Rule is locked
*** - Rule is flexible - you are NOT restrained to the ideas listed, feel free to submit your own.



VOTING ON RULES:



*** - 2/3 Majority will get the rule. If there are ties, then I will attempt to make a comprimise.



VOTING ON GAMES:



XXX - Each participant picks up to five games - each getting one vote, except his/her favorite one, where it's worth two votes. Include in the vote wheater or not you can judge that game or not. Don't worry if you can't judge any games you pick.

XXX - Include in your votes anything you want to say to the rules listed below.



XXX - Please make your votes in the 'MARP Tournament - Time to Pick Your Games!' Thread. This way, everything is in one thread.

I'm not going to enforce this rule very well, and no, I won't disqualify you if you put it in the wrong thread. Just a request

XXX - Voting will last about 2 1/2 weeks - it will end June 31st at 23:59 GMT - 7:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time.



The reason for the five game rule is...



GAME SELECTION:



*** - I think the top ten(or whatever) votegetters should not neccessarily be chosen to be played during this tournament. I think that if a game sends a person beyond 20 leaderboard points in the MARP, (using the 10-3-1 system, mixing appropriate clones) then the game should not be played. I was thinking that rule to keep things competitive and interesting, but then again, you might not think that way.



*** - I think that if there are ties in votegetters, then the quickest voter gets first priority.(Hey... gotta decide somehow.)



DIP SETTINGS:



*** - I think TG Settings should be used. If there are no TG Settings, then I think MAME Defaults should be used. If there are no TG settings, please indicate such in your vote.



JUDGES:



*** - Anyone is welcome to judge a game. Hopefully we'll have enough judges to help

VERSION OF MAME USED:



*** - I'm thinking this: If a game is working during or before the release of MAME 34, then MAME 34 FINAL should be used. If a game became working after Mame 34 final, then no earlier than MAME 35 RELEASE CANDIDATE 1 should be used. This way, all games can be used. Please include in your vote which games should use which version.



LENGTH OF CONTEST:



*** - I'm thinking anywhere from five to twenty games.



*** - I'm thinking three months is a good length of time to play the games. That would mean we'd go from July 1st til September 30th.



VALIDATION OF GAMES:



XXX - All recordings must be dated within the contest dates - so make sure your computer date is right.

I think everyone would agree to that, so I'm locking it

*** - I think that the judges should download all games previously uploaded so we get the least cheating possible. Basically we should keep an eye for file size and such.



SCORING:



*** - There are three suggestions:



A. Percentage Scoring, additive, no bonus for high rankings.
B. Place Ranking, worst gets 0, 2nd worst gets 1, 3rd worst gets 2, 4th worst gets 3, etc.
C. `Superstars Scoring` - 10-7-5-3-1(Did I say that right Chris?)



In all cases, any game that has no recording by a contestant gives that contestant a score of 0 for that game.



ADMINISTRATIVE HELP:



*** - I'm thinking of having a judging coordinator, where s/he assigns the judges games they will evaluate, within the boundaries of the games the judges said they could judge. The coordinator would communicate with the judges with recordings that are good or bad. What do you think about this idea? I think we're also going to need a page maintainer to keep tabs on how the tournament is going, with updates at least once a week. The page maintainer would communicate with the judge coordinator(if we have one) and myself so the right stuff comes up.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

CONCLUSION:



I know there's a lot of rules(I think I broke the record for longest post in MARP History by a longshot), and you might be confused, which I fully understand. I will be giving an example of a vote(and my official vote) in the voting thread. I'm looking forward to a great tournament.

Whew... this took a while to compose...

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Chris Parsley · Post by **Chris Parsley** » Mon Jun 14, 1999 12:30 pm

gb, you wanted answers, here we go...
Why a 2/3 majority? Wouldn't a simple majority do?
I'll judge, as long as I can get the game rom, I can do it... (Can't
tell you how I can see them, but I can)
I do not agree with dropping to Mame34 and the like... Some games are
only able to be run on the higher betas, and for some ppl, they are
easier to run... (No major problem, as long as it is a beta that can
be currently downloaded, aka betas12 and 13.)
10-15 is a nice number for # of games
I could live with either B or C for scoring... (Yes, you said it
right)
And I would be willing to help coordinate this in any form, including
Judge Coordination.
you got my ICQ, just buzz me GB.

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BeeJay · Post by **BeeJay** » Mon Jun 14, 1999 12:30 pm

Here's a little suggestion to keep the interest level up....


Why not 'disallow' hoarding of scores. If you've recorded a score
for a game upload it the day you record it - unless it was worse than
a previous recording.



This will mean we can all watch people's progression on the games and
know what scores we need to aim for and hopefully keep the
competetion more intense as we see who's beating our scores or
uploaded a rip-snorting beauty of a score !!!



BeeJay.



PS: I'm still working on my list of 5 games.......

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Gameboy9 · Post by **Gameboy9** » Mon Jun 14, 1999 12:30 pm

my oh my, you are absolutly positively correct BeeJay!


-------------------------- ADDITIONS TO RULES:



RECORDING ETIQUETTE:



XXX - All recordings made by a player must beat his/her personal high
score for the tournament. If you scored 50 points in one game, the
next upload must be of a higher value. It can't be 49 points, but it
can be 51 points. I hope I'm clear with this rule.



Good eye in catching that pitfall BeeJay!

GAME SELECTION:(This I saw after my original post)



*** - I propose that no clones should be permitted with the exception
of the originals not working, or clones which change the style of
gameplay. One original and a clone should not be played, only one
original or one clone...... Did you get that?

In other words, we
won't play amidar that plays 20 points / dot AND an amidar that plays
10 points / dot in the same tournament. We either play the 20
point / dot version OR the 10 point / dot version. There... now I'm -
hopefully- clear.

BTW... someone has voted the speed cheat version of pacman - the -
proposed- ruling on that is it will count if it beats regular pacman
in votes.



RECORDING ETTIQUETTE:(This came off an ICQ Discussion from Aquatarkus)



*** - I propose that there should be no excessive points leaching in
any game. It is to the judge's discretion to determine wheater a
game is points leaching or not. However, the Judge Coordinator(if we
have one, and early indications are that there will be...) should
have the right to overrule the judge. Maybe the Judge Coordinator
should verify a points leeching claim?



---------------------------- CHANGES IN RULES:



VOTING ON RULES:(This came from Chris Parsley's reply)



*** - A simple 50.01% majority should determine the rules. If there
is a tie, I will try to compromise to make everyone happy.

I
think that's better than a 2/3 majority, won't have to worry about
compromising too much

Thanks for the idea Chris

Well there's a couple more things to look at, probably making things
more confusing

Thanks a ton for all of your suggestions - if you
have more, you're more than welcome to give something - the more the
merrier

see ya later

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BeeJay · Post by **BeeJay** » Wed Jun 16, 1999 12:30 pm

Hmmmmmmmm,


"XXX - Voting will last about 2 1/2 weeks - it will end June 31st at
23:59 GMT - 7:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time."



I hate to be picky but on our calenders here in good ol' NZ June only
has 30 days......

I presume you'll have Zwaxy open the flood-gates asap after 00:00 GMT
on 1st July once the final list of 10'ish games has been decided. I
presume we'll automatically close off at 23:59 GMT on 30th September
with no uploads allowed after that time - unless there are major
problems with the Net access on the last day preventing those last
minute uploads at the discretion of the Judge Co-ordinator.



BeeJay.

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Gameboy9 · Post by **Gameboy9** » Thu Jun 17, 1999 12:30 pm

Speaking of Judge Coordinator - I'm going to have Pat Laffaye become
the Judge Coordinator. Thanks for your help Pat!



Gameboy you nerd... look at the calander before you make a deadline
next time! Uh... voting will end June 30th, not June 31st... there
goes one of your days to vote...

I also backed up the deadline 59 minutes to give Zwaxy a bit of time
to get the games programmed into the script. So the deadline is June
30th, 2300 GMT(7pm Eastern Time)



Another pitfall, the same dead eye caught it again, thanks again
BeeJay!

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Chad · Post by **Chad** » Thu Jun 17, 1999 12:30 pm

VERSION OF MAME USED:


*** No restriction of mame version.



I'm thinking this because all versions of mame are going to be on the
MARP diffs page, and the judges should be able to download the one
that was recorded in their respective game with out too much trouble.
This enables people who might accidentally record an awesome recording
on the latest beta and wish to submit it to the tournament.



SCORING:



I like C the Superstar scoring 10-7-5-3-1, since there will only be a
handfull of games to play ( if one game is easy for one person but
hard on the others) that gives them too much of an advantage to lower
all other persons scores, on that game, which is a high percentage of
your total score. So we can still accept a cool game like galaga on
not be limited to only 10 out of 100 by krogie.

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Chad · Post by **Chad** » Fri Jun 18, 1999 12:30 pm

*** No restriction of mame version unless the game has bugs or isn't
working as it should.



forgot that exception.

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rough · Post by **rough** » Sat Sep 04, 1999 12:30 pm

I found a problem which cannot by solved by stating in the rules but
if we put it in nevertheless it might prevent people from cheating.



Example: If we have two close competitors in a tournament called A
and B, if in one game A is very good while B is quite low (B scored
his points in other games), A could play a score just a bit lower
than his top score and submit under another handle, so that B gets
a lower LEADER BOARD score. ?!



The rule that you have to play 8 of 10 games to appear in the leader
board already helps but still somebody could play 8 games under a
fake handle and submit it. We could put in a rule to say that everyone
may only take part in the tournament under ONE SINGLE handle.
After all it is impossible to prove if a person is in the tournament
with two handles, but putting in the rule would set things clear.



If this got already discussed let me know !

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