Games who might deserve a split

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by ***PL*** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:03 pm

Starting to investigate these potential splits...

• Marvel Land (Japan version only) has "Easy" and "Normal" mode. Us version has only one mode.
• Rabio Lepus/Rabbit Punch Normal / Expert mode
• Phelios / Easy, Hard
• Megatech -columns / easy , normal , hard
• WonderBoy2 in MonsterLand / score or gold

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by Zerstorung » Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:48 pm

Would calling for a vote be the correct avenue regarding Battle Garegga, or is that something that you feel should be left alone?

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by Kale » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:33 am

Battle Garegga should be Japan by default, period. A vote is just a way to take time for something rather obvious to do.

Since we are there, Space Invaders / Qix Silver Anniversary Edition (invqix) needs splitting between Space Invaders and Qix for obvious reasons.

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by Zerstorung » Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:31 am

Kale wrote:Battle Garegga should be Japan by default, period. A vote is just a way to take time for something rather obvious to do.
I've already independently requested this and was turned down, resulting in the removal of a 10.3 million run I did on the JP settings.

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by Kale » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:35 am

Well, let's put it on a vote, then.

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by Phil Lamat » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:46 pm

For sure, invqix needs split (-inv & -qix), I'm sure Pat will proceed quickly.

Concerning marvland/rabiolep/rpunch/phelios :
seems the same course (but I'm not an expert on these games, and I miss some practice to go far on them and compare all), only difficulty looks different.
mt_cols : same gameplay, only difficulty is different.
So I don't see any reason to split any of them

Finally for bgaregga, I'm ok for a vote, but I have a question first :
if we allow jp dipswitch, what do we do with previous scores made with default europe ?
all scores mixed ? does jp dip allow higher scores ?

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by mahlemiut » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:24 pm

For Battle Garegga, DIP switches for extend settings vary. For Japan, the default extends are every 1M points, for all other regions, the default is no extends whatsoever. There may be some slight variations in game mechanics, also.

Japan region:
Extends every 1M <-> Extends at 1M and 2M only

All other regions:
No extend <-> Extends every 2M
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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by RAX » Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:28 am

Phil Lamat wrote:Concerning marvland/rabiolep/rpunch/phelios :
seems the same course (but I'm not an expert on these games, and I miss some practice to go far on them and compare all), only difficulty looks different
Marvel Land: Easy has a different amount of enemies in later schemes and different boss-sequence
Phelios has a completely different last round and last boss

Both take some scheme in easy mode from normal mode

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by Zerstorung » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:11 am

mahlemiut wrote:For Battle Garegga, DIP switches for extend settings vary. For Japan, the default extends are every 1M points, for all other regions, the default is no extends whatsoever. There may be some slight variations in game mechanics, also.

Japan region:
Extends every 1M <-> Extends at 1M and 2M only

All other regions:
No extend <-> Extends every 2M
The game has a notorious (within the shmup communities at least) dynamic difficulty system that accelerates at a much faster rate in the Japanese settings, which is typically maintained by intentionally crashing your ship to temporarily lower it. With the absence of extends in the non-Japanese regions, the difficulty curve was heavily reduced (since there are otherwise insufficient lives available to control it), creating a significantly less intricate risk/reward system for good scoring.

Details on the game's "rank" system can be read here http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=351

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by Phil Lamat » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:36 pm

Kale wrote: Space Invaders / Qix Silver Anniversary Edition (invqix) needs splitting between Space Invaders and Qix for obvious reasons.
This one is done.

Concerning other ones, I will launch a vote saturday or sunday (too busy at work for the moment).

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by Zerstorung » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:48 pm

Just thought of this one; Battle Bakraid has the same "boss rush" selection mode that Armed Police Batrider has. The latter has a split course for it already.

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by Chufoglu » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:29 am

Indiana Jones and Blasteroids have very different courses and difficulty.

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by RAX » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:03 am

First of all thanks to MARPers for Phelios and Marvlanj :!:

I'd like to see a special split for Mortal Kombat (at least for parent): Reptile can't appear in any way at first coin, because flying things over the moon in pit stage appear only every a certain amount of games.
I can't remember exactly, but I think first time is at third or fourth game, anyway: could we accept (for this title only) a special rule that allows people to record more than one game in the same inp, so that the first time that Reptile's appearance conditions rise it's the game to record for?
Please don't consider those turbo-hack clones where Reptile appears after every match (99,9millions), I'd like to see an appreciable 20+ millions inp on a decorous romset.

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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by TRB_MetroidTeam » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:22 pm

I agree with RAX about Reptile rule.
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Re: Games who might deserve a split

Post by Phil Lamat » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:50 am

I'm not very found of this idea.
I would prefer a special thread here with attached inp.
Could this be done with a "save state" ?

By the way, bbakraid + clones are split with -ob option (only boss).
And batrider + clones has been renamed -ob also

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