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Re: Archive these games -topic

Postby PP. » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:28 pm

Cicca wrote:
PP. wrote:
Cicca wrote:Should this one be archived ?
http://replay.marpirc.net/r/sprint8
9 out of 11 scores submitted are in 1st place (99 pts.).....


Some of you suggest games to be archived without play them, just watching the scoreboard...
This game (sprint8) is extremely difficult. Most of players will never make 99, even if they try for months.


You didn't played it either....so what's the problem with you...?!
If you just read, before writing:

The TJT wrote:.......
You can list here games that should be archived, and why.
...Reasons being such as too easy to maximize score, having multiple first places at same game, game only tests luck etc...



Yes, I did played it. Impossible for me to make 99. I don't know if there's any trick.

9 people make 99, so what? 7 people made 999,999 in Dragoninja, so let's archive Dragonninja too?

BeeJay wrote:Here's another game which looks like it could do with archiving:

http://replay.marpirc.net/r/wcbowl14

There are currently only three scores submitted, but all three are perfect 300 maximum scores so it definitely looks like a candidate for archiving.


But since 2012 when Paulo/Saulon uploaded his score, there was no need for archiving, right?

I see that your appeal was immediately satisfied. Meanwhile tons of fake inps, some of them reported by me already, remain unfixed...


giro-X wrote:And also please reconsider Exciting Animal Land Jr. (animaljr) and clones. Look how many 65s have been submitted, but also, you can test on your own.



Its extremely difficult to make 65. Play a game before you write your nonsense.
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Re: Archive these games -topic

Postby Haze » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:45 pm

well there are multiple ways you get 'lots of maximum score'

games which were poorly designed and can be counterstopped in the first few stages without playing properly obviously need special rules to encourage proper play (even if it's something as simple as 'divide score by the number of stages you didn't complete')

games where there's a clear maximum score, and a lot of people have it, you could simply split the leaderboard points if you're not already doing so, if there are multiple 1st places, they're worth less points.

alternatively again you come up with another method of splitting the scores, like looking at how quickly they were achieved in the same way speedruns are done (obviously only counting gameplay time) this is however extra work for the moderators.

MAME can actually do lua scripting now, it might even be mature enough for people to write scripts to judge inps for specific cases, like watch for coin in, only count time during active gameplay, that kind of thing, although again, creating such scripts would be a lot of work and I'm not really sure this community really has people both capable and interested in doing such things.

Unfortunately it seems PP has already started again with his aggressive stance, I doubt he'll stay unbanned for long.
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Re: Archive these games -topic

Postby simpsons99 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:40 pm

why was his ban short termed?


I think us players should vote on something like this?
Haze wrote:well there are multiple ways you get 'lots of maximum score'

games which were poorly designed and can be counterstopped in the first few stages without playing properly obviously need special rules to encourage proper play (even if it's something as simple as 'divide score by the number of stages you didn't complete')

games where there's a clear maximum score, and a lot of people have it, you could simply split the leaderboard points if you're not already doing so, if there are multiple 1st places, they're worth less points.

alternatively again you come up with another method of splitting the scores, like looking at how quickly they were achieved in the same way speedruns are done (obviously only counting gameplay time) this is however extra work for the moderators.

MAME can actually do lua scripting now, it might even be mature enough for people to write scripts to judge inps for specific cases, like watch for coin in, only count time during active gameplay, that kind of thing, although again, creating such scripts would be a lot of work and I'm not really sure this community really has people both capable and interested in doing such things.

Unfortunately it seems PP has already started again with his aggressive stance, I doubt he'll stay unbanned for long.
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Re: Archive these games -topic

Postby giro-X » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:16 pm

simpsons99 wrote:why was his ban short termed?


I think us players should vote on something like this?

No Brian, sorry, even though I can understand your sickness about the question, a ban should be applied only by judgement of an administrator.
I believe nothing would prevent community to have a poll - it's not like we are not asking to consider more severe measures, but a poll would have no theoretical power if not to give an overall opinion of the voters. Opinion which is, pretty clear at the moment at least at basis, thus starting polls would just be ridicolous.

Usually you don't perma-ban people in any forum immediately, the standard is to give some days as a forced pause, and then a chance for re-thoughts/redemption, in other words, a chance for starting to behave properly again.
Chance that, as you can see, has just been used to throw oil to the fire.

FYI even though I read everything, I'm not going to reply to him, in any case. May he feel free to test me out.
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Re: Archive these games -topic

Postby simpsons99 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:30 pm

ok it was just a thought
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Re: Archive these games -topic

Postby PP. » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:00 pm

Haze wrote:Unfortunately it seems PP has already started again with his aggressive stance, I doubt he'll stay unbanned for long.


Aggressive stance is when ignorants ask for great scores to be archived, not when I give useful info.
And why you believe that I want to stay unbanned when there are unfair practices? I already asked in other thread to be banned forever.


giro-X wrote:Usually you don't perma-ban people in any forum immediately, the standard is to give some days as a forced pause, and then a chance for re-thoughts/redemption, in other words, a chance for starting to behave properly again.


What is "behave properly" to you? Hearing insults and answer nothing?
Is this what you' d do in my position?
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Re: Archive these games -topic

Postby Haze » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:19 pm

PP. wrote:
Haze wrote:Unfortunately it seems PP has already started again with his aggressive stance, I doubt he'll stay unbanned for long.


Aggressive stance is when ignorants ask for great scores to be archived, not when I give useful info.
And why you believe that I want to stay unbanned when there are unfair practices? I already asked in other thread to be banned forever.


Well since you've admitted to having replays that aren't even yours on your account in the other thread I imagine you'll be banned forever regardless.

That's the very definition of 'unfair practices'

So you'll get your 'wish' I'm sure, and there will be one less cheater on MARP.
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Re: Archive these games -topic

Postby simpsons99 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:02 pm

lol i have never seen a player asking to be banned .. If you are not wanting to be here .. Then just do something else?
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Re: Archive these games -topic

Postby PP. » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:57 pm

Haze wrote:Well since you've admitted to having replays that aren't even yours on your account in the other thread I imagine you'll be banned forever regardless.


I' ve seen other players saying that they have other's replays as well, so I don't think I made any murder.
Also don't forget that Paulo=Saulon.

Haze wrote:That's the very definition of 'unfair practices'.


Why? I said that months ago and asked for fixing.
And now there will be a cleanup. Focus in real problems.

Unfair practices = Monkey confirmations, wrong archivings.


simpsons99 wrote:lol i have never seen a player asking to be banned .. If you are not wanting to be here .. Then just do something else?


I do. No more uploads, tehkanwcd is my last rom.
Now I answer to posts.
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