Second MAME Olympiad Retry - Brainstorming

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Second MAME Olympiad Retry - Brainstorming

Postby gameboy9 » Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:38 pm

With the coordinator positions decided in this event, and apparently it's highly likely that this event is first if it goes off, so I thought I'd call for a brainstorming session now. I'm also looking to see who's interested in this type of event at all.

What I'm going to do is accept input for ideas on how we should procede. The only rule that will remain in place is that you won't play for yourself, but for your country (or at least your continent :) ). I'll place all of the current ideas on this thread, so keep an eye out on this first post.

CURRENT MOST LIKELY PROCEDURE:
- Teams of 3-6 people, regionalized.
- Each team to have a team captain... decided amongst the teams.
- 10-20 games selected, more likely 16.
- All players will be required to play 1/2 and only 1/2 of the games selected. (8 and only 8 if we take the more likely approach of 16 games)
- All games will require x to y people from each team playing each game.
x = 1 if 3 or 4 players, 2 if 5 or 6 players
y = 2 if 3 players, 3 if 4 or 5 players, and 4 if 6 players.

CURRENT IDEAS:

GAME SELECTION:
- A la Tournament, vote for games.
- A la Knockout, GB9 chooses games (and would, therefore, not play)
- Scrap Olympiad and substitute with World Cup, see below.

TEAM SELECTION:
- Play by country
- Play by multiple countries (if one country doesn't have enough players)
- Play by continent
- Play by randomly selected teams of x number of people

PROCEDURE:
- Score in a 10-3-1 system
- Play a la knockout
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Postby destructor » Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:43 pm

I can play but with players from my country can be problem. I can play in every team :D
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Postby gameboy9 » Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:45 pm

Here's a couple ideas I've thought of over the last couple of days:

1. (more Notman's idea I think) Vote for games a-la MARP Tournament or TG Decatholon, then go at it for 2 months. Number of games can vary from 8-15... or whatever... I'm easy. :) Award points for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places.

2. I'll randomly select 10 good games, and we'll go at it for two months, give or take. Award points for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places.

3. Completly scrap the Olympiad idea and instead go for a "World Cup"... or a Knockout tournament with countries. We can determine the specifics later.

For ideas 1 and 2... how about the infamous 10-3-1 system... like MARP's 2nd Leaderboard System... now that'd be a blast from the past! :)
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Postby destructor » Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:52 pm

gameboy9 wrote:2. I'll randomly select 10 good games

It must not be randomly. You are coordinator and you can choose games manually from voted games. Select by categories, etc...

EDIT
About playing.
For sure in evary round will play 4 players from every team. Then final score can be sum all players from team. For example in game X:
- player1 Team 1 score = 200 points
- player2 Team 1 score = 100 points
- player3 Team 1 score = 150 points
- player4 Team 1 score = 50 points
Sum is 500. And this 500 will be counted for scoreboard, solo scores are unimportant, teams only.
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Postby gameboy9 » Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:37 pm

destructor wrote:For sure in evary round will play 4 players from every team. Then final score can be sum all players from team. For example in game X:
- player1 Team 1 score = 200 points
- player2 Team 1 score = 100 points
- player3 Team 1 score = 150 points
- player4 Team 1 score = 50 points
Sum is 500. And this 500 will be counted for scoreboard, solo scores are unimportant, teams only.


Hmmm... that would require at least 4 players in a country... so we'd have to combine countries I guess. Or pick random teams... am I getting your idea correct?

destructor wrote:I can play but with players from my country can be problem. I can play in every team


Well... in 2001, the first Olympiad, QRS all by himself gave Sweden third place...
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Postby jbd41 » Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:05 pm

My idea:

Have teams of five (or whatever -- just as example). On each game being played, only the top two scores from a particular team matter. In other words, not everyone has to be an expert on every game -- it can be split up among the teams, so if (for example) BBH and Metrackle were on the same team BBH could take the shooter and Metrackle could take the puzzle game.

Also have some sort of max to how many games a particular person can contribute to, so you don't have one person carry the entire team.

I think such a ruleset might enhance the "team" aspect.
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Postby gameboy9 » Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:07 pm

jbd41 wrote:My idea:

Have teams of five (or whatever -- just as example). On each game being played, only the top two scores from a particular team matter. In other words, not everyone has to be an expert on every game -- it can be split up among the teams, so if (for example) BBH and Metrackle were on the same team BBH could take the shooter and Metrackle could take the puzzle game.

Also have some sort of max to how many games a particular person can contribute to, so you don't have one person carry the entire team.

I think such a ruleset might enhance the "team" aspect.


Yes... have a thought about the creation of teams... not only could they be brought up "randomly"... but they could be brought up by country... so like Argentina, which doesn't have a lot of players, can hook up with Brazil... keep them grouped up, know what I mean?

EDIT: I guess that's that "team up by multiple countries idea" I have on the first post, huh? :)
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Postby destructor » Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:47 pm

jbd41 wrote:My idea:

Have teams of five (or whatever -- just as example). On each game being played, only the top two scores from a particular team matter. In other words, not everyone has to be an expert on every game -- it can be split up among the teams, so if (for example) BBH and Metrackle were on the same team BBH could take the shooter and Metrackle could take the puzzle game.

Also have some sort of max to how many games a particular person can contribute to, so you don't have one person carry the entire team.

I think such a ruleset might enhance the "team" aspect.

It's not good that scores from top players will be counted only when all players play. What with work (hard or not) other players from team? -> Read still my post below ...
Hmmm... that would require at least 4 players in a country... so we'd have to combine countries I guess. Or pick random teams... am I getting your idea correct?

Yes, correct. 4 is example only, can be 3 too. Next idea: (example for 4 still) team can be bigger than 4 players - 6 for example - but before start tournament team must select 4 players for every game and it can't be still the same 4 players for every game, every player from 6 must play in 4 games for example.

Example for 3 games (6 players in team, 4 players play, every player must play in 2 games):
game1:
P1,P2,P3,P4
game2:
P1,P2,P5,P6
game3:
P3,P4,P5,P6

I don't know but maybe 3 players for each game will be better.
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team make-up

Postby RichyS » Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:31 pm

Hello fellow gamers,

Coming from a very small country, I would certainly be interested in joining forces with my British or European counterparts. One possible idea for team make-up (depending on how many players are 'in') would be to have continental teams:

Europe
South America
North America / Central America/ Carribean
Africa
Asia
Australasia

If more than the agreed number per team signed-up, then have 'A' and 'B' ('C' 'D', etc.) teams from each continent. Maybe based on MARP ranking?

Just some thoughts - I'll play whatever...
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Postby gameboy9 » Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:53 pm

It seems... in talking on IRC and from what I'm reading... so far... that teams of 3-6 people... regionalized... seems to be the way to go.

That's not official yet, of course... we've been brainstorming for only six hours now... but that's what it seems.

So, how shall we pick games? And how will be determine "who wins"? A scoring method... or some knockout method?

I'm thinking this will go for 1 or 2 months.
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Postby The TJT » Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:13 pm

Imo, there must be a finite number of games, maybe 20, maybe 10...then it can be a solid competition.
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Postby gameboy9 » Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:57 am

Oh yeah TJT... we'll most likely have a finite number of games, that much is certain. How many... well if we go with Destructor's plan... teams of 4-6... I'd say we could play... maybe 16 games in two months... with all players being assigned 8 games... and you have to have 2-3 players for each game.

Scoring can probably be determined by the average of the two to three scores for each game... then we can compare the averages and assign ranking. (I think that idea was tossed around in IRC...)

How's that sound?

ADDED: Current most likely procedure - to top post.
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Postby The TJT » Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:36 pm

That sounds good.
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