K5 Qualifying Round

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Post by BBH » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:37 am

TRB_MetroidTeam wrote:42 players! Is really necessary 2 "Elimitation" rounds? Or only 1 will be ok? IMO the head-to-head may start after the 1st Elimination Round, with 32 players.
A 32-player bracket would work since we have enough people, but the original plan was for a 16-player bracket and we're sticking with that. Makes for a good combination of the "traditional" knockout rounds and bracket rounds. There will end up being 3 elimination rounds to reduce the field to 16.
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BBH wrote:ZB: I'm sorry, but your recording still averaged 94.85%, below the 95% mark. I know it's unfortunate to be stuck with a slow computer, but if you got through this round there's always a chance you might not have been able to meet the speed requirement in one of the other rounds. Really sorry we can't allow it. :(
me too, its not my fault, i dont understand why you reduce someone, only because have slow cpu, i am realy disappointed, bye.
Because playing at a slower speed really isn't fair to everyone who's playing the game at the regular speed. At a slower speed you have more time to react to things. I know you're disappointed, but like I said, I went through the exact same thing as you with K3 and I couldn't play in it at all. You either find access to another computer, or move the frameskip up enough so that you can maintain 100% speed... or you don't play. Sorry.

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Post by destructor » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:48 am

BBH, about ZB recording and his speed. I think you can accept it, it is qualifying round only. I remember K3 tournament where Phil Lamat ask you to submit recording with lower speed because it was qualifying round only and your CPU was too slow (80%). Do you remember it?
viewtopic.php?p=18442#18442

I know that ZB can made 300k :D without any problem. He is old player form Poland as me ;)

I will ask ZB to find better PC for next rounds.

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Post by RAX » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:04 am

Excuse me, are there any problems with my 7.9mil inp? viewtopic.php?p=40765#40765

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Post by BBH » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:32 am

RAX wrote:Excuse me, are there any problems with my 7.9mil inp? viewtopic.php?p=40765#40765
argh, I thought I got all the updates. My bad. :oops: It's fixed now. Please let me know if I missed anyone else's score.

the ZB issue will be discussed by the coordinators.

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Post by destructor » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:58 am

BBH wrote:still averaged 94.85%, below the 95% mark
Mercy :D Even for position 43.

I didn't have time to say ZB how made this 95% (I was busy). It was simple -> wait some time before starting game where speed was 100% and next start game, and after 300k immediately hit ESC :D I think these 0.15% was possible to made :D

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wlfview show me speed 94.883753% :D
I remember that in K3 in qualifying round I played on framespik6 wit sound off because my CPU was too slow too. In next rounds was better.

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I notice that:
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Post by Koza » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:26 am

I made some better inps... no sense in posting them... it's only a qualifying round ;)

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Post by Marco Marocco » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:45 am

Marco "Marocco" and not "Morocco" but I know it's about the same thing
All over the world people makes the same mistake :lol:

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Post by Phil Lamat » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:13 pm

destructor wrote:I remember K3 tournament where Phil Lamat ask you to submit recording with lower speed because it was qualifying round only and your CPU was too slow (80%).
My point of view hasn't change ;
I always considered this first qualifying round as a registration, nothing more.
Let's give this guy a chance

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Post by The TJT » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:42 pm

destructor wrote: I didn't have time to say ZB how made this 95% (I was busy). It was simple -> wait some time before starting game where speed was 100% and next start game, and after 300k immediately hit ESC :D I think these 0.15% was possible to made :D
Shhhh...
Using higher fixed frameskip is the right solution.
...So ferry 'cross the mercy...
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We have over 40 players taking part, wow! :D

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Post by NotMan » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:46 pm

I better say something on my be-half as K5 coordinator.

We * may * have to delay a day or two until this ZB issues is resolved. We are not quite sure how many games will able to run under 500mhz cpu w/o picking any GEGOTW games or any past MARP or DECA tourney nor any games that JTC will add on his GEGOTW during the K5 tourney. Just like BBH said earlier, "Mame is getting slower and slower." There isn't going be any faster in the future until we all have fast cpu to keep up with it, IMHO.

For the record, I'm aware of some of MARPers are asking ZB to turn the sound off to speed up the game, because it has no effect at all. It won't work on Wolf101 & Wolf106, due the MAME DEV has removed that somewhere in MAME 90-99 cycles ((Mame 90 (I think)). Therefore -nosound has no effect on the future Mame release unless Mr. Giles decide to bring it back or not. :(

We'll be discussing for an alternative WolfMame for ZB, but I can not guarantee if there is Mame 63 bugs exist or not. We are hoping that if ZB have any access to faster cpu nor have DES to help him out.

So stay tuned.... :)

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Post by wuzel » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:30 pm

BBH wrote:okay, two things:

ZB: I'm sorry, but your recording still averaged 94.85%, below the 95% mark. I know it's unfortunate to be stuck with a slow computer, but if you got through this round there's always a chance you might not have been able to meet the speed requirement in one of the other rounds. Really sorry we can't allow it. :(

wuzel: again you recorded with a memcard file present. You need to delete memcard.000 from the directory, or set the memcard directory to NUL so that it ignores it completely. It's a recent bug that popped up in MAME. We'll have to use the 507,000 that your original recording played back to since the second recording did not get as high a score without a memcard file present. (but thanks for including the .wlf file this time, heh)

no problems with anyone else's recordings, so here are the final results of the qualifier:

Code: Select all

01. pat33999                24,952,600
02. destructor              23,274,300
03. gastrainga              22,389,900
04. Metrackle               16,607,300
05. saru3000                14,214,300
06. mahlemiut               13,680,800
07. TJT                     12,870,800
08. Jason Dyer              12,530,300
09. JYD                     10,141,800
10. Ace13                    8,124,400
11. RAX@AIVA                 7,916,400
12. DieseL                   6,356,900
13. MORENO@TeamBrazil        6,212,500
14. TRB_MetroidTeam          5,221,000
15. GEMANT@AIVA              5,189,000
16. Koza                     5,093,000
17. Udirnel                  4,376,000
18. zarouk@jvrm.net          4,060,000
19. IB_Angelo__              3,494,500
20. asn@HotTeam.pl           3,168,500
21. BDF                      2,746,000
22. Gerhard Schindler        2,651,500
23. RJM                      2,575,500
24. Francois Daniel          2,473,500
25. The Pro                  2,108,000
26. Nanni                    2,004,500
27. Abbe                     1,758,000
28. sikraiken                1,744,000
29. Marco Morocco            1,515,000
30. Phil Lamat               1,154,000
31. Don Hayes                1,132,500
32. zylquin                  1,107,000
33. Kaczor                   1,095,500
34. gameboy9                 1,046,500
35. LeClaqueurFou@jvrm.net   1,039,000
36. haynor                   1,021,000
37. Sampras@AIVA             1,004,500
38. JLr-DF                     923,000
39. Frankie                    617,500
40. John Cunningham            583,500
41. wuzel                      507,000
42. Donut                      465,000
The first elimination round will begin on September 1st, and will likely continue entirely through the forums since MARP is still down.
i dont get it ;(
i had never problems with any of my inps
i did `1 309 00 :(
i dont have much time in front of pc :(
okay no problem
i think that i will be eliminate one way or another - now 10 days holidays for me and without pc i guess.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL PLAYERS.
It's good 2 be here with U guys :)

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Post by Ace » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:55 pm

I just want to add my vote for letting zb play. If his cpu is too slow again then so be it, but surely we can let him try.

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Post by Weehawk » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:42 pm

NotMan wrote:... w/o picking any GEGOTW games or any past MARP or DECA tourney nor any games that JTC will add on his GEGOTW during the K5 tourney.
We went through this shit last year.

Why are GEGOTW titles being dismissed from consideration?

If I start "Shmups of the Day", "Puzzle Games of the Day", and "Fighting Games of the Day" competitions can I start getting them eliminated?
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Post by jbd41 » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:28 pm

I have no opinion either way, but I consider it a mark of respect rather than insult to exclude GEGOTW games, giving them validity as being in a serious competition.

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Post by BBH » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:27 pm

okay...

1. Marco, sorry about the mess-up, that was entirely my fault. I'll fix that now.

2. I'll add the HotTeam.pl suffixes too, destructor. Given that MARP has been sorta down I haven't been able to double-check everyone's name, and I don't know which name people would rather go by in the rankings when they have a different one on the forums. If anyone else wants their name changed, let me know.

3. Wuzel, your inp didn't work because you had a memcard.000 file. You need to delete this file or remove your memcard directory, or set the memcard directory to "NUL" in mame.ini. This is mentioned in the rules, I mentioned it again in the first post, I mentioned it a third time when somebody's else inp desynced, and I mentioned it yet again when your first inp desynced, both in a forum post here and in a PM. How many times do I need to mention this? YOU NEED TO REMOVE THIS FILE/DIRECTORY.

4. Pre-1985 games have NOT been excluded from competiton, we've already decided on at least one game for a later round that would of course fall under the "Golden Era" category. I completely recognize the fact that GEGOTW is something separate from MARP and shouldn't have any bearing on what games are decided for other tournaments.

5. Yes Phil, I realize that the qualifying round is more of a "registration" round than anything else, but why bother if you can't get a legal speed on the first game? It could just lead to a lot of wasted time if you end up getting to a later round and then find that there's no way for you to submit a legal recording on that game.

6. We're not delaying the next round, it's still going to start at 00:00 GMT tomorrow (around 22 hours from now), whether the ZB issue is resolved or not.

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