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Which one would you vote

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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby kernzy » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:58 pm

barry,
neither do i, mate.
the only association i know is from the conspiracy videos on youtube. there are a few that are named "disney stage hand " visible, etc. i watched them all, and was totally unconvinced. i could not see anything. that's all i know. where did you get the "discovery channel" reference?
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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby mahlemiut » Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:40 am

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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby BBH » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:22 am

Hurricane Sandy was a conspiracy to make Obama look better!!!
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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby The TJT » Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:59 am

kernzy wrote:ok, the lens was said to be up close to the window, while they filmed the earth from "deep space".
they were in low earth orbit, so, looking out of the window, you would see the earth in all it's massiveness. so, they blacked out the light, and filmed from the back of the craft, so the port hole was 8 - 10 feet away from the camera. this way, the circumference of the port hole is what you see to be the outline of the earth, making it look like the earth from thousands of miles away, when they were actually in earths orbit all the time. y'see?

Sorry, I don't find this to be a convincing evidence at all, on the contrary. What this (rather irritating) woman talks on the clip doesn't reflect at all what I see happening in the images...

I see whole Earth in those images. If they would be filming close to earth, from back of the craft, using shuttle window as sort of "filter" on what we see; we'd see only part of the earth, not the whole shebang.
The lights are off inside the vehicle exactly so that they could film the Earth. When it comes to images being in colour inside the craft but b&w on moonwalks...I'm certain there is a technical explanation for that as well.

also, when i watch the news and they link up with a reporter in another country on a LIVE connection, there is a delay of about 3 seconds, in 2012.

I don't agree with that, not to my experience. If you see such lag, it's because of poor/slow connections, rerouting through satellite, conversion from analog to digital, slow hardware etc.

Online gamers can vouch that there may be a small lag. Now let's assume you're communicating to other side of the globe:
Earth circumference: 40,000 km
Light speed: 300,000 km/s

40/300 = 0.13 seconds, for a ROUNDTRIP around globe

Speed of radio waves equals light speed in vacuum, so let's calculate, roughly, how long radio waves take on a one-way transmission to Moon...

Moon distance: 384,000 km (on average)
Radio wave speed: 300,000 km/s

384/300 = 1.28 seconds, ONE WAY ticket to the Moon
1.18-1.35 seconds depending on Moon distance from Earth, also there might be some extra lag between radio tower and base etc

however, they want us to believe that astronaughts in deep space do NOT have a delay in radio correspondance, in 1969. impossible. :^o

Actually you're making a very powerful argument there, the best I've heard so far on Moon landing conspiracy theories. The clip you posted doesn't make a credible case for that though.

This is imo the best clip on making your case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Tku-CgNnI

In fact it got me somewhat suspicious of moon landings for a moment! How come there is no lag between Houston&Moon! As far as I know, the above clip is legit... the times between responses are not edited.

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Sorry to be a spoilsport, but I did found the correct explanation though. And imo the explanation is even more fascinating than the conspiracy theory... in fact I find the explanation CONFIRMING that indeed the exchange was between Houston and Moon:

1st: There should NOT be a consistent time delay between every response... since the conversation is being recorded at one end – Mission Control. Responses from Mission Control could be heard without any delay, as the recording is being made at the same time that Houston receives the transmission from the Moon.

2nd: So that leaves us with claim of no time delay when Moon is responding...

Let's first listen from EARTH'S vantage point:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/Relat ... th_PAO.mp3

Indeed, there is no gap between Houston's response, as expected. But how come Armstrong responses immediately??? - with no lag!!!
Also notice the year long pause in Armstrong's reply in "Houston.............Tranquility Base here, the Eagle has landed"

Now let's listen how the same thing sounded ON THE MOON, what Neil Armstrong heard from his headphones due to 1.28 second time lag:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/Relat ... n_moon.mp3

HA!

...Neil Armstrong did not reply "too quickly"... in fact what he heard was him and Houston talking on top of each other! - hence the long break before him saying "tranquility base..." - he heard Earth responding ""We copy you down, Eagle." ...and was waiting them to continue/gathered thoughts after being "interrupted".

Very cool!
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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby kernzy » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:46 pm

lol!!!
good research.
i think you are still mistaken on the video clip.
you said "I see whole Earth in those images. If they would be filming close to earth, from back of the craft, using shuttle window as sort of "filter" on what we see; we'd see only part of the earth, not the whole shebang. "
what you are seeing IS only part of the earth. if the camera was up close to the window as the astronaught states, it would look sooo much bigger than what you see in the clip. if you watched closely, you would have seen the thickness of the window reveal on the circumferance of the earth.
tell me, when was the last time you filmed out of a window and stood as far away from the window as possible? never, because you would only get a WINDOW sized film of the outside. which is what is happening here. it's that simple. concentrate on this factor only, forget all else for the moment.
if they were in deep space, they would not need to do all this set up. they would've just filmed out of the window...
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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby kernzy » Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:00 pm

look at it this way. if the window was triangular in shape, the earth filmed this way would be a triangle.
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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby The TJT » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:25 pm

kernzy wrote:lol!!!
good research.

Thanks. I thought so too. :)

look at it this way. if the window was triangular in shape, the earth filmed this way would be a triangle.

Yeah, I get it...
But I still think they actually are filming close to the window and what we see is the whole Earth. We can agree to disagree...
What escapes me is why people try to find "holes" in these kind of clips... when there is high quality film from other Apollo missions...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZd_5H-n1po&t=10m25s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2oyT6e ... ure=relmfu

Shouldn't it be OBVIOUS that we have technology for going to Moon...

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Anyway, here's an awesome clip for everyone... astronaut testing Galileo's theory of objects falling at same speed regardless of their mass:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDp1tiUsZw8

At least you know this was done in a vacuum...
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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby kernzy » Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:33 pm

yo!
thats what i used to like about this stuff, it makes us use our brains more!! researching stuff sometimes leads me to change my mind.
The TJT wrote:Yeah, I get it...
But I still think they actually are filming close to the window and what we see is the whole Earth. We can agree to disagree...

dude, no, we cannot!!! lol!
please, you have not watched properly. until then, you will not know what i am describing. i know the narrator can get annoying, but she is blatantly just explaining what is going on. you maybe have not yet seen it all. for your convenience, i will explain further.
after seeing the "earth shot", and enough footage was collected, they finished filming. unfortunately, they do not stop the tape. you can blatantly see that they are far away from the window. then they uncover the lights, and you can see even more blatantly that the camera is as far away from the window as possible.
if like you said the camera was close to the window, you would at least see the cameraman backing away to get to the position he is in. he does not. he stays where he is.
there is no question. none. if you are so forthcoming in your research to find out facts to see what is what, how about watching the clip properly instead? and scrutinise as best you can. you will see tomfoolery, from which my entire claim is based.
humans are a funny lot, and sometimes we only "see what we want to see". this kind of thinking stops us all from deciding for ourselves, as we have believed what we have seen and been told all our lives. you can argue that is what is happening with both of us right now, which seems to be the case!! :lol:
you have to look at this with an open mind, instead of a mind ready to rubbish the theory as quickly as possible. you have to break your "programming" and bear witness to the other side of the story before you can make an honest judgement, that is the only way to decide. otherwise, we end up like sports fans and sing "our team is the greatest in the world", even though they clearly are not!!
when i watched these video's for almost my whole life, i watched as a firm believer. now, when i need to choose, i play devils advocate, and think like a non-believer so i can weigh up both sides of the story, then can make an educated guess, rather than a biased one. it is hard at first!!!
try that when watching. and listen to the boring woman!!!! :D :D
good stuff! :wink:
breakdown:
7;00 minutes. astronaught gets between camera and window. impossible if camera is close to glass. for a shadow to cause this, either i am correct, or there is something outside the window. cameraman moves to the right to compensate. blatant human nature.
7:45. camera zooms out, and you can blatantly see a light inside the cabin. impossible if camera is close to window.
8:14. earth totally diappears because something got in the way. this would not be possible if the camera was close to the glass.
8:28, light floods the cabin to reveal how far away from the window camerman is, making all my previous points futile.
please explain to me how these points are possibly the fruit of an honest deep space shot of the earth.
if the window was triangle shaped, the earth would be triangle shaped. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY-VWFx4yEU
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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby The TJT » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:46 am

kernzy wrote:7;00 minutes. astronaught gets between camera and window. impossible if camera is close to glass. for a shadow to cause this, either i am correct, or there is something outside the window.

Define "close"?
What makes you think they glued the camera lens to the glass? Did they mount the camera? (Obviously not since you can see it moving)

7:45. camera zooms out, and you can blatantly see a light inside the cabin. impossible if camera is close to window.

What makes you think these are taken with same camera, same window, or even same mission to begin with?
What makes you think the camera hasn't been moved?
...You can clearly see one image of big Earth being gradually changed to a pic of small planet/moon, that's a film-making effect... combining two DIFFERENT pictures.

Aren't you trusting the filmmakers a bit too much here...

8:14. earth totally diappears because something got in the way. this would not be possible if the camera was close to the glass.

What makes you think they haven't moved the camera... hell, the earth is like 50 times smaller than in other shots. You can't even clearly tell it's the Earth.
What makes you think it's taken from same mission as the previous clips...
What makes you think this is not 200,000 km later? Or earlier...
What makes you think it's Earth?

Or do you just blindly believe whatever propaganda the commentator tells you...

8:28, light floods the cabin to reveal how far away from the window camerman is, making all my previous points futile.

Indeed. Obviously the camera is in middle of space craft there. Now what?
They are not allowed to film inside of the space craft because someone said in another clip that camera is close to the window? I see.

if the window was triangle shaped, the earth would be triangle shaped. :D

Yes, clearly those pics of Earth from space are beyond human capabilities.

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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby kernzy » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:16 pm

first, you need to decide how close to the window the camera is.
the astronaught said the window is filled up with the camera lens. what does that mean? to me it sounds like it is almost touching the glass. that is what the 'naught wanted the viewer to believe. if it was all real, he would not have to say anything at all.
i'm sure you said earlier that you thought the camera was very close. now i point out obstructions between glass and camera, you change your mind.
The TJT wrote:What makes you think it's Earth?

dude, are you for real? maybe the fact that they were in earth's orbit, and there isn't another h2o plentiful planet until one of jupiters moon's. europa, i presume.
if you are trying to bring to this debate the possibility of this planet not being earth, then... :-k ......................... :-k ............ .................. :lol:
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Re: Obama or Romney?

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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby AL » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:43 pm

From a 2002 Sunday Times article written by that papers motoring Journalist and Astronomy fan, Jeremy Clarkson of 'Top Gear' fame:

"On January 25, 1994, a Titan IIG rocket blasted off from Vandenberg air force base in California. On board was a satellite called Clementine which, after two orbits of Earth, had picked up enough speed for its long, cold and lonely voyage to the moon.
It arrived in lunar orbit on February 21 and spent the next two months beaming detailed photographs of the surface back to scientists on Earth. These were added to a library of pictures already taken by the Galileo probe which had been past the moon in 1990 and 1992.

Today all the images, along with those taken by the more recent Hubble telescope, are available on the internet or by mail order on CD-Rom.

So what’s my point? Well, since every square inch of the moon’s surface has now been photographed, why is there not one shot of the lunar rovers left behind by Apollos 15, 16 and 17? There is no atmosphere up there so they couldn’t have rusted away. There is no wind to cover them with dust. They should be there. But they aren’t.

It’s not just the rovers either. Back in 1968 we all saw the Eagle taking off from the moon leaving its legs behind. So where have they gone? It’s a puzzle — and there’s more. Knowing the Americans as we do, why has nobody thought to sell us a poster of the Stars and Stripes flag that was left behind by Neil Armstrong? In these troubled times such an image would do wonders for national pride.

Using Sherlock Holmes as a guide, when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. What remains is this: either the Americans never went to the moon, or the space litter has been tidied away by alien Wombles.

I think it highly unlikely that any life form capable of travelling millions of light years across the universe is going to reach the moon and not bother doing the extra few yards to Earth.

So did they ever come here? According to papers just released under the 30-year rule, the British government set up a unit in 1951 to look into this whole business. One of the cases it examined was that of RAF Flight-Lieutenant Hubbard who twice claimed to have seen a “flat disc, light pearl grey in colour, about 50ft in diameter, flying low over Farnborough at speeds up to 1,000mph”.

The scientists charged with looking into this were unconvinced: “We find it impossible to believe that a most unconventional aircraft, of exceptional speed, could have travelled at no great altitude in the middle of a fine summer morning over a populous district like Farnborough without attracting the attention of more than one observer.” Fair point.

Indeed, I have never once read a credible account of a UFO sighting, not even the infamous Roswell incident. It was July 4, 1947, when a hillbilly resident of this remote backwater in New Mexico found an enormous smouldering crater and at the bottom of it a downed aircraft of some type.

Suspecting, as you do when you are American, that it might be from outer space, he called the authorities who immediately summoned the air force. It made a mess of things, saying first of all that it was a disc and then, hours later, that it was a weather balloon.

Yeah right. So this 50ft crater was gouged out of the sun-baked New Mexican backdrop by a balloon, was it? Obviously there was a cover-up going on here.

Conspiracy theorists say the crashed plane was alien and that the pilots were taken to Area 51 where they reside, even to this day. I say that Roswell is not that far from Edwards where, just 13 weeks later, Chuck Yeager blasted the Bell XI through the sound barrier. So it was probably a secret air force prototype of some kind. Who do you believe? Eighty-seven per cent of all UFO sightings are in the United States and not just by former truck drivers called Dusty who list their hobbies as “spitting and shooting anyone who comes near my caravan”. Jimmy Carter, the former president, says he has seen one and there is an organisation called Project Disclosure, made up of 20 former military types who say they spent their careers rounding up beings from other worlds.

The leader, Sergeant Clifford Stone, says he has catalogued 57 different types of alien life forms, some of which, apparently, look just like humans. “They could walk among us and you wouldn’t even notice the difference,” he said. Certainly this would explain David Coulthard.

Mostly, I suspect, it explains that America is full of what we used to call feeble-minded lunatics. There are no aliens on Earth and there never have been. It’s made up by people who are bored with waiting outside the caravan all night for someone to shoot.

So if aliens have never been to Earth, we can assume that they’ve never been to the moon either. And if they’ve never been to the moon, there can be only one answer to my question: what happened to all the junk that the American astronauts left behind? Simple: it was never there. They were never there.






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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby kernzy » Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:01 pm

lol!
it's been one of my idea's, that, if there was a photo, from hubble, or from jodrell bank, of the lunar buggy on the moon, it would be the biggest selling poster of all time. even bigger than the tennis woman scratching her butt. according to youtube comments, we have from the bottom, electro microscopes that can view atoms, then microscopes, then small telescopes, just shy of seeing the moon litter, then the hubble, incapable of viewing the moon surface. what about the inbetween bit? so no telescope can view the lunar surface, but, on the other hand can take this deep field image?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcBV-cXVWFw
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Re: Obama or Romney?

Postby The TJT » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:07 pm

Kernzy... so your claims are that:

1. This is fake:
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2. While this is not fake:
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...Despite Earth looking smaller as in pic 1!

3. This is camera trickery, shot from same position as pic above, to make Earth appear further than it is:
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3b. This is definitely Earth:
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4. If camera lens is not glued to the window - man didn't go to the moon.

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5. I can ask 10 questions and you have to answer only one.

6. I can prove that time delay between Houston and Moon is correct - which achieves absolutely nothing and we just move to another outrageous claim...

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Al, very funny. People that believe US government holds aliens as hostage...that UFOs come from light years away to visit us - are the same who just can't believe that man walked on the Moon...

About pictures of remains from Apollo missions on Moon... there are those. But why would you trust modern pics if you don't trust even live video...

(I changed the thread title...)
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Re: The Official M.A.R.P. Conspiracy Theory -thread

Postby BeeJay » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:29 am

Since this is now the Official Marp conspiracy thread......

Here's proof of at least four aliens within just the Mame/Marp community:

1. BBH (Matt H.)

2. The_Pro (Martin B.)

Both of the above are just too good at too many games and too quickly for them to be mere human players!! =D>

3. TJT (Tommy) - inhumanly fast running speeds on T&F etc. Tries to disguise this by claims of six finger techniques.

4. Novice (Hisa C.) - inhumanly fast firing speeds, for example on Star Force.

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