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but I can't recall the last time, for examle, a Jew blew himself up in a crowded muslim hangout
Yes, but I'm sure you rememnber an Israeli missile doing the same if not worse in a Muslim neighbourhood, yes?


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I recall that, but didn't almost all of them kill the intended people...pretty accurate, and yes it fuels more revenge killings, but if those people would police themselves with all the money we give them, none of this would happen. If the Israelis hadn't been attacked, they wouldn't have done it. They truly do have superior weapons(provided by Europe and US), so if they wanted to kill them/conquor them etc, they could. They only have used their army when attacked/invaded. And of course, nobody is perfect, especially if the body is a gov't. I'll get to the rest tomorrow.
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Agreed. And lets not forget that the other 'side', the West, are in the same boat, only that instead of Islam and politics, it's extremist Christians and politics. Remember the God told Mr.Bush to bomb Afghanistan and Iraq.

No doubt that same God told Mr.Bush of the upcoming Iranain Oil Bourse (oops..sorry nuclear weapons programme...), and the need to bomb them too.
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Ok, when was the last time you were in the US? I have yet to meet a group of extremists of the Christian or political sort, but there probably are a few...some of them armed to the teeth. The main difference here is that we police them just like Joe average; no special treatments. The last real fanatic was Koresh, and anyone who watched CNN knows what happened to them(at their own hands is debatable, but had they not died, they would be in prison now). I live directly across the street from a church(African Methodist), and I could yell at them, "Jesus sucks big allahaha dong," while they are going into church and not worry for my safety(I wouldn't be too secure if I yelled racial slurs at them, though, and I would get arrested for a hate crime...just for calling them a bunch of stupid N's). Who knows, I bet most church goers would pray for someone like that.

Bush never said God told him to bomb A&I, but rather that God was on our side and that we will prevail. I hope that's true(just in case there is a God). BTW, I'm no Bush fan and nobody asked me if we should go to war.
The iranians will have to be dealt with, not for nukes, not for oil, but for their leader(whom many former hostages say was involved with the embasy seige)...I wouldn't be surprised if that's not why US forces truly invaded I&A. Bush makes more money every time the price of oil rises.
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Bush by definition is an extremist, and a Christian one at that.

Anyhow, enough of this bickering.


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See here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international ... 01,00.html


This ends the claim that it is a free speech issue.


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AL wrote:Welby1:

I don't wish to get into an argument with you here, but you're thinking is flawed.


Why are US forces there? For the benefit of the Iraqi people? Nope, oil.
Your President sent your fellow American children to die for this reason, and also Mr'Hussein's wish to start an oil bourse that did not include your so sacred Petrodollars.

but they seem to have a rule against non-muslims living and breathing in their 'countries'..
Hmm.. I reckon I'd be pissed off If some Europeans came to my land, took away my grandparents home and made it their own. Thats whats called 'Zionism'.

I have a rule also about some non-Irish people claiming that MY land is theirs. The rule is called 'Rebellion'. And, as like for example, the P.I.R.A, we fight occupation. The thing is we are either called 'Freedom Fighters', or 'Terrorists'. You decide.

The French, during WW2, were in effect 'Terrorists', yes?? But no, they were 'Resistance Fighters'. Make your bloody mind up.


Apart from the phoney 'Al-Queda cell'.....(http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html).



You are American, yes?
If so....read this and come back to me:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html
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I've heard all this before...those sneaky bastards :evil: I'm no proponent of foreign aid, but anyone sleeping in the streets is obviously too stupid/proud to ask for help. All countries spy...and so do many large companies.

As for an arguement, it's ok...I like hearing others' views...even if they are different or wrong. I realized soon after joining marp that a large portion of it's members are not American, that's why I jumped on the box here. I don't really disagree with you that much on the motivation side, but I did take an arguementative tone with you; mainly to elicite a decent, hopefully civilized response from you. :D I had pegged you for Australian, rather than Irish. I'd have no problem discussing this stuff with you in person...it's always good to talk about different opinions...it's really all any of us regular people can do, as we have no say in any govt's decisions, so speak your mind, I'm not going to go postal over anyone's opinions here.

On Mr. H.,he would've loved to keep selling oil to the US/world. Had he not invaded Kuwait, he'd still be getting US weapons. He should have been dealt with the first time for the scorch and burn. I think his armies said it all when they surrendered before US forces. My brother in law was in Desert Storm/Shield, drove a truck. He had soldiers begging him to let them surrender to him, and that was without ever having engaged them in combat(probably a smart move on their part). If the Iraqis wanted Mr. H, instead of US forces, they would have fought tooth and nail to stop the invasion.
Some of the world has grown up, but there are plenty of ruthless gov'ts out there still. If it takes action to help free those peoples, then action should be taken. That action doesn't have to be military 100%.
Just out of curiosity, why is there still a resistance in Ireland? I know it's some kind of bad blood from the 14th/15th century conquest by England, but after 4-500 years, what's the point? I don't see the point in fighting/killing neighbors. I've always thought of Ireland as a state in Great Britain(kinda like Illinois is to the US). I'm not intending to insult you or Ireland, but after all these centuries, why infight? Does the Brittish gov't do unjust things to your people today? Why not just be one big family? Reduced fighting has allowed the Irish economy to flourish(fastest growing the the EU, right?). I had planned to take my 10th anniversary trip to Ireland, cancelled those plans over Lockerbie(sp?-and yes, unrelated to the ira thingy) bombing. I'd love to hear that peace has come for good...there's always the 20th anniversary. To my knowledge, my mother's side of the family is still present in Ireland(traced to nobles, held large estate/castle; one of the sites on my must see when I'm there list). Once again, no personal offense to you is intended. :D
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but anyone sleeping in the streets is obviously too stupid/proud to ask for help
That's very rightwing way to justify homeless.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4686684.stm
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BTW, was there Al-Qaida before US occupation in Iraq? I think not. Now there is.
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AL wrote:See here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international ... 01,00.html


This ends the claim that it is a free speech issue.


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You are right Al, the pictures has nothing to do with free speech, they were just to provoke, and proved our bad satire in this country :(

I've got to much of all this by now, and don't really want to debate it, but I see no plausable reason to bring those pictures, and will for sure newer buy that paper again, as they must take a lot of blaim for all the Danes who have already lost their jobs because of their bad joke. If one wants to make fun of religion, make fun of your own religion, but it seems that would not be as much fun/provocativ/satire whatever :(

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I'm sure al quackies were there prior to 9/11.
On the homeless issue: It may not be this way throughout America, but here in my city, we have many programs to help the 'homeless'. I employ them as often as possible, that is, when they are willing to work. A small percentage are truly bad luck, old age, illness related, but the vast majority are drug/alcohol addicts. There are shelters available to anyone to have a warm place to sleep and eat, at no charge. The only catch is that you can't drink/get high on premise, they have to arrive before 9/10pm(unless you can prove you were at work), and no weapons/fighting. Believe me, I don't want to kick someone when they're down, and I try to help, but the simple truth is too many are looking for something for nothing. I can't feel sorry for those people, they give the rest a bad name. The only people I've seen in the past year, sleeping outside, were passed out drunks from the bar around the corner.
Frankie wrote: If one wants to make fun of religion, make fun of your own religion, but it seems that would not be as much fun/provocativ/satire whatever :(

PEACE.
uh, I think they've got a rule against that, too. I hear insulting white/christian/american/professional jokes all the time. If it's funny, I might laugh anyway. There are many who aren't so tolerant. It is a shame that that newspaper holds a double standard, but it's no excuse for killing the staff that did print it, let alone people who had nothing to do with it. They keep biting the hands that feed them.
We should ship air-conditioners to them(I have a theory about the heat over there; sure can't help any). Perhaps leaflets dropped from the air stating," sticks and stones...but words will never hurt me."


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Question for non Americans: In your country, when you go to a government office(post,courthouse,tax), how many languages do they print the informational booklets in? Just curious if it's done elsewhere so that immigrants don't have to learn the language of the country they live in, and I'm not counting dual language countries like Canada, just non-native languages in other countries. I ask this,because, even though I've already filed, I got a spanish language tax prep book delivered today.
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Nice pix of King Diamond, TJT! :D Gene Simmons did sue KD for stealing his bat makeup. Very rare pix of KD with Gene Simmon's look alike bat makeup on that Dark Side album! :lol:

Wasn't KD is German not Danish?

Oil = What make the world runs around? You couldn't live without one wouldn't you. :wink:

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welby1 wrote:Unrelated, but a
Question for non Americans: In your country, when you go to a government office(post,courthouse,tax), how many languages do they print the informational booklets in? Just curious if it's done elsewhere so that immigrants don't have to learn the language of the country they live in, and I'm not counting dual language countries like Canada, just non-native languages in other countries. I ask this,because, even though I've already filed, I got a spanish language tax prep book delivered today.
Certainly in the English and Maori here (the official languages of New Zealand), although the Elections department has a fair few more languages... http://www.elections.org.nz/
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welby1 wrote:I'm sure al quackies were there prior to 9/11.
I don't know if they were under the surface, but I would imagine they appeared in Iraq after US occupation.

Bin Laden referred to Saddam Hussein (and the Baathists) as evil, a demon or devil worshipper in his speeches and recorded/written announcements, calling for his overthrow by the people of Iraq. In spite of the distrust Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had for each other, published reports documented a number of alleged contacts between their organizations. Official investigations by the NSA, CIA, DIA, FBI, the State Department, the 9/11 Commission, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence -- have led most analysts to conclude that there is no evidence of a cooperative relationship between them. (See Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda)

In contrary to the belief of 41% !!! of US adults, there are no proven links with Saddam and Al-Qaeda. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911.
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1777, 7th day of July Abigail wrote:

Wasn't KD is German not Danish?

There ain't no King in Germany! Very Happy
LOL! Nice pix of KD unmasked, very rare pix. KD/Mercyful Fate is bunch of early Judas Priest rip off band. Although, their music is okay as long Mr. Diamond don't copy like Rob Halford does. :lol:

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but I did take an arguementative tone with you; mainly to elicite a decent, hopefully civilized response from you.
No worries. I apologise for my tone in a previous post.
had pegged you for Australian,
No need for insults! I'm a Paddy not a flaming Drongo :)




[/quote]Some of the world has grown up, but there are plenty of ruthless gov'ts out there still.

Unfortunately a lot of them are propped up by the US and their version of 'democracy'.








Just out of curiosity, why is there still a resistance in Ireland?
Because our country is occupied by a foreign force. Would you not feel the same if your own country was occupied by the same? I reckon you would. Talk to some native 'American' Indians. They will tell you a different story.
I know it's some kind of bad blood from the 14th/15th century conquest by England
Thats putting it mildly.....
I've always thought of Ireland as a state in Great Britain
Why is that? Time to start getting your news from other sources. Ireland is an independant country, separate from Britain, hence the problem.
I'm not intending to insult you or Ireland, but after all these centuries, why infight?
We've done all we can to stop the struggle. I'm sure you are aware that the P.I.R.A. has stood down and ended the armed struggle. They have eventually listened to the people and decided that any resistance to Imperialist rule can only be met with dialogue and not bombs or bullets.
The only problem here is that the British government are not able for this and have engaged in another 'dirty tricks' campaign to stop any kind of power sharing between the parties concerned. At the moment there is a stalemate brought about by a so-called P.I.RA. spying ring which as it turns out was nothing of the sort. It was a British Special Branch operation to undermine the peace process, again. Currently the Loyalist parties refuse to speak with the Irish parties. Whats new?
I had planned to take my 10th anniversary trip to Ireland, cancelled those plans over Lockerbie
Eh? You've got me there! That was Scotland and a supposed Libyan Intelligence operation. One wonders why there were so many FBI types at the scene within minutes......


I'd love to hear that peace has come for good.
We are trying.
To my knowledge, my mother's side of the family is still present in Ireland(traced to nobles, held large estate/castle; one of the sites on my must see when I'm there list).
Interesting. May I ask your mothers surname?


Once again, no personal offense to you is intended.
None taken.


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No need for insults! I'm a Paddy not a flaming Drongo :)






Unfortunately a lot of them are propped up by the US and their version of 'democracy'.
No insult intended there either :D
I see the foreign aid to most of those sham countries as more of a bribe to keep them close enough to watch...what a waste of money, but not a damn thing I can do to stop it.

I had planned to take my 10th anniversary trip to Ireland, cancelled those plans over Lockerbie

Eh? You've got me there! That was Scotland and a supposed Libyan Intelligence operation. One wonders why there were so many FBI types at the scene within minutes......
I knew that, just concerned about international flights in general
To my knowledge, my mother's side of the family is still present in Ireland(traced to nobles, held large estate/castle; one of the sites on my must see when I'm there list).
Interesting. May I ask your mothers surname?[/quote]
Logsdon'aka' Loggesden, Lodson, Logsdin, Logsden, Loggsden,
or Luftin, which is rooted in Bedford area of England, but the Irish tie in comes from Honora O'Flynn


Spouse: Honora O'Flynn
Birth Date: 1686
Birth Place: Kerry County, Ireland ®6
Death Date: 1745

http://www.geocities.com/spirit_picabo/irish.html
Once again, no personal offense to you is intended.
None taken.
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Cool. I was pretty surprised at all the websites related to my mother's line...well over 100
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