Can this be the same recording that was deleted due to slowdown like 2 years ago?
http://marp.retrogames.com/index.cgi?mo ... 00&tourn=0
http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/2/6/7/gc ... mame35.zip
If not, and it is legit, it is a very impressive score!
German Krol´s Frogger
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Well, I did a lookup at TG in the forums cuz I vaguely remembered a thread about it there.
I found the thread and saw you had participated in it as well.
I would say it's suspect. Why would anyone nowadays playing the game use an old version like mame35?
If it was mame35tgb3 or something for Deca2003 then I could understand using that old version....but regular 35?
You posted you saw this same player submit an inp of similar score 2-3 year ago here...which was DQ'd for speed.
Actually in extracting the link you gave above it's clear this was an inp from August 8, 1999. The readme states this. Also the date for the inp file itself is also August, 1999.
If you know this was previously here and removed then I would say it can't be allowed. If it's a true game then why on earth wouldn't he submit it to TG cuz it would be a record score.
Given he notes TG settings in the description indicates to me at least he wants it considered by TG for the record book...so he should just go ahead and submit it then.
I found the thread and saw you had participated in it as well.
I would say it's suspect. Why would anyone nowadays playing the game use an old version like mame35?
If it was mame35tgb3 or something for Deca2003 then I could understand using that old version....but regular 35?
You posted you saw this same player submit an inp of similar score 2-3 year ago here...which was DQ'd for speed.
Actually in extracting the link you gave above it's clear this was an inp from August 8, 1999. The readme states this. Also the date for the inp file itself is also August, 1999.
If you know this was previously here and removed then I would say it can't be allowed. If it's a true game then why on earth wouldn't he submit it to TG cuz it would be a record score.
Given he notes TG settings in the description indicates to me at least he wants it considered by TG for the record book...so he should just go ahead and submit it then.
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I think that QT or Gameboy9 deleted it due to slowdown.I may be wrong here of course. A lot of his scores were deleted back then, and there were people that thought his frogger score was not legit. So it was deleted.
Maybe Pat L. Knows more about this?
Maybe Pat L. Knows more about this?
QRS
(which is normally used to slow down old PC games, running too fast on modern computers). Maybe thats why the slowdown couldn't be detected by analinp...-
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I remember that instance . It WAS DQ'ed for 'slowdown' .
Dunno who deleted it though . Most likely QT ,GB9 ,or Skito .
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Dunno who deleted it though . Most likely QT ,GB9 ,or Skito .
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I'm the one who made the frogger's records
Estimada gente :
soy German Krol y quiero expresar mi punto de vista en este tema. Yo nací y vivo en Argentina y no hablo muy bien inglés, por eso es que prefiero escribir en español
El inp que acabo de mandar ES EFECTIVAMENTE el mismo que mandé en agosto de 1999, pues no creo que vuelva a anotar semejante score nuevamente por mas que lo intente una y mil veces y además no tengo las ganas ni el tiempo suficiente para volver a hacerlo. Lo que me llevó a publicarlo nuevamente es la indignación y sorpresa que me causó el ver que lo habian borrado anteriormente, y no se porque.
Si revisan los registros del sitio MARP, solia ser un participante asiduo por aquellos tiempos y hasta llegué a estar número 1 en el ranking. El trabajo y mis obligaciones hicieron que, lamentablemente no tenga el tiempo libre suficiente como para seguir participando de la manera que me gustaría, ya que uno nunca deja de gustarle estas cosas, ni siquiera he mandado un nuevo inp en años, pero dejenme aclararles algo:
Este INP es PERFECTAMENTE VALIDO, fue realizado SIN NINGUN TIPO DE TRUCOS, ni slowdown , ni Moslo, ni nada que se parezca, EL Frogger siempre fue uno de mis juegos favoritos, que jugué desde pequeño y me llevó mas de un mes de continua prática para lograr la tecnica necesaria en conseguir lo que conseguí ese dia; en realidad fue toda una noche (algo asi como 8 hs creo yo) y solo utilicé la pausa para deascontracturar las manos un par de veces, aunque claramente se ve que no se consigue ventaja alguna utilizandola sino que por el contrario se pierde ritmo. Ahora veo que tambien está prohibida la pausa en algunos juegos... en fin. Ya estoy viejo y desactualizado para competir en el alto nivel pero NO ACEPTO de ninguna manera que duden de la legitimidad de esa grabación. Recuerdo perfectamente que los FPS eran de 60/60 y quién tenga la valentía de cuestionarlo, simplemente que pruebe lo contrario, aunque me gustaría mas que vengan a mi casa y me vean jugar para demostrarles que realmente hice ese score. Simplemente aquella noche estuve inspirado y superé cualquier expectativa, incluso mia. Es tan duro de aceptar??
Estoy muy dolido porque nuevamente me lo han baneado Y SIN MOTIVO alguno, es mi primer y unico record mundial, es un orgullo para mi el poder decirlo y el haberlo logrado. Me hubiera gustado mucho que se reconozca en este sitio y que figure primero en los records del frogger, nada mas ni nada menos, con todos lo honores, como debería ser... pero parece que es inaceptable para alguna gente que se logre semejante score en formar limpia.... bueno, yo lo he hecho, lo he logrado, y saben que? con eso me alcanza, ya no me importa si lo corrigen o no, yo se muy bien que lo he logrado.
Lo que si me gustaría, no se quien de Uds. lo mencónó es mandarlo a los Twin Galaxies Records, eso si me gustaría; no lo he hecho simplemente porque no se como hacerlo y porque "mi orgullo", "mi diversión" era ser parte del MARP, mas que de cualquier otra comunidad.
Si volviendo a mandar mi INP he generado esta discución, en la que se me ha dejado de lado y vuelto a expulsar sin siquiera consultarme primero, entonces, pido disculpas. Retiren mi INP y olvidenlo.
Solo queria que se hiciera justicia.
Afectuosamente,
German Castagnasso (Germán Krol)
soy German Krol y quiero expresar mi punto de vista en este tema. Yo nací y vivo en Argentina y no hablo muy bien inglés, por eso es que prefiero escribir en español
El inp que acabo de mandar ES EFECTIVAMENTE el mismo que mandé en agosto de 1999, pues no creo que vuelva a anotar semejante score nuevamente por mas que lo intente una y mil veces y además no tengo las ganas ni el tiempo suficiente para volver a hacerlo. Lo que me llevó a publicarlo nuevamente es la indignación y sorpresa que me causó el ver que lo habian borrado anteriormente, y no se porque.
Si revisan los registros del sitio MARP, solia ser un participante asiduo por aquellos tiempos y hasta llegué a estar número 1 en el ranking. El trabajo y mis obligaciones hicieron que, lamentablemente no tenga el tiempo libre suficiente como para seguir participando de la manera que me gustaría, ya que uno nunca deja de gustarle estas cosas, ni siquiera he mandado un nuevo inp en años, pero dejenme aclararles algo:
Este INP es PERFECTAMENTE VALIDO, fue realizado SIN NINGUN TIPO DE TRUCOS, ni slowdown , ni Moslo, ni nada que se parezca, EL Frogger siempre fue uno de mis juegos favoritos, que jugué desde pequeño y me llevó mas de un mes de continua prática para lograr la tecnica necesaria en conseguir lo que conseguí ese dia; en realidad fue toda una noche (algo asi como 8 hs creo yo) y solo utilicé la pausa para deascontracturar las manos un par de veces, aunque claramente se ve que no se consigue ventaja alguna utilizandola sino que por el contrario se pierde ritmo. Ahora veo que tambien está prohibida la pausa en algunos juegos... en fin. Ya estoy viejo y desactualizado para competir en el alto nivel pero NO ACEPTO de ninguna manera que duden de la legitimidad de esa grabación. Recuerdo perfectamente que los FPS eran de 60/60 y quién tenga la valentía de cuestionarlo, simplemente que pruebe lo contrario, aunque me gustaría mas que vengan a mi casa y me vean jugar para demostrarles que realmente hice ese score. Simplemente aquella noche estuve inspirado y superé cualquier expectativa, incluso mia. Es tan duro de aceptar??
Estoy muy dolido porque nuevamente me lo han baneado Y SIN MOTIVO alguno, es mi primer y unico record mundial, es un orgullo para mi el poder decirlo y el haberlo logrado. Me hubiera gustado mucho que se reconozca en este sitio y que figure primero en los records del frogger, nada mas ni nada menos, con todos lo honores, como debería ser... pero parece que es inaceptable para alguna gente que se logre semejante score en formar limpia.... bueno, yo lo he hecho, lo he logrado, y saben que? con eso me alcanza, ya no me importa si lo corrigen o no, yo se muy bien que lo he logrado.
Lo que si me gustaría, no se quien de Uds. lo mencónó es mandarlo a los Twin Galaxies Records, eso si me gustaría; no lo he hecho simplemente porque no se como hacerlo y porque "mi orgullo", "mi diversión" era ser parte del MARP, mas que de cualquier otra comunidad.
Si volviendo a mandar mi INP he generado esta discución, en la que se me ha dejado de lado y vuelto a expulsar sin siquiera consultarme primero, entonces, pido disculpas. Retiren mi INP y olvidenlo.
Solo queria que se hiciera justicia.
Afectuosamente,
German Castagnasso (Germán Krol)
RE
Sorry German. I had to do a translation first so I could see why you did not writ the post in English.
Here is a translation done with Altavista.
NOTE:Bear in mind that those translations can be strange and often unreadable. If any Spanish speaking dude see this please correct any mistakes.
"Considered people: I am German Krol and I want to express my point of view in this subject. I was born and live in Argentina and I do not speak very well English, for that reason she is that I prefer to write in Spanish inp that I finish sending IS INDEED the same one that I sent in August of 1999, because I do not believe that she returns to again write down similar score by but that she tries one and thousand times and in addition I do not have the desire nor the time sufficient to return to do it. What it took to me to publish it again is the indignation and surprise that seeing that caused to me they habian erasure previously, and not because. If they review the registries of site MARP, solia to be an assiduous participant by those times and until I got to be number 1 in the ranking. The work and my obligations caused that, lamentably it does not have sufficient the free time like continuing participating in the way that I would like, since one never it lets like these things, not even I have sent new inp in years, but dejenme to clarify something to them: This INP is PERFECTLY COURT FAVORITE, was made WITHOUT NINGUN TYPE OF TRICKS, neither slowdown, nor Moslo, nor nothing that looks like, the Frogger always was one of my favorite games, that I played from small and it took to me but of a month of continuous prática to obtain the necessary tecnica in obtaining what I obtained that day; in fact it was all one night (something asi as 8 hs I create) and single I used the pause to deascontracturar the hands a pair of times, although she sees clearly that some is not obtained to advantage using it but that on the contrary rate is lost. Now I see that also the pause in some games... in aim is prohibited. I am already old and desactualizado to compete in the high level but noncAcceptance of no way that doubts the legitimacy of that recording. Memory perfectly that the FPS were of 60/60 and who has valentía to question it, simply that it proves the opposite, although would please me but that they come to my house and they see me play to demonstrate to them that I really did that score. Simply that night I was inspired and I surpassed any expectation, even mia. He is so hard to accept? Very I am hurt because again me it they have baneado and WITHOUT REASON some, is my first one and unico world-wide record, is a pride my the power to say it and the obtained be it. I had liked much that is recognized in this site and that appears first in the record of frogger, nothing but neither nothing the less, with all the honors, as it would have to be... but it seems that he is unacceptable for some people who are obtained resemblance score in forming good cleaning...., I I have done it, I have obtained it, and know that? with that reaches to me, no longer concerns if they correct it or no, I to me very well that I have obtained it. What if I would like, not who of You mencónó is to send it to the Twin Galaxies Record, that if I would like; I have not done it simply because not like doing it and because "my pride", "my diversion" was to be part of the MARP, but that of any other community. If returning to send my INP I have generated this discución, in which has been left me of side and returned to expel without at least consulting to me first, then, I request excuses. Retire my INP and olvidenlo. Single queria that did justice. Affectionately, German Castagnasso (Germa'n Krol) "
End of translation.
Regards
Here is a translation done with Altavista.
NOTE:Bear in mind that those translations can be strange and often unreadable. If any Spanish speaking dude see this please correct any mistakes.
"Considered people: I am German Krol and I want to express my point of view in this subject. I was born and live in Argentina and I do not speak very well English, for that reason she is that I prefer to write in Spanish inp that I finish sending IS INDEED the same one that I sent in August of 1999, because I do not believe that she returns to again write down similar score by but that she tries one and thousand times and in addition I do not have the desire nor the time sufficient to return to do it. What it took to me to publish it again is the indignation and surprise that seeing that caused to me they habian erasure previously, and not because. If they review the registries of site MARP, solia to be an assiduous participant by those times and until I got to be number 1 in the ranking. The work and my obligations caused that, lamentably it does not have sufficient the free time like continuing participating in the way that I would like, since one never it lets like these things, not even I have sent new inp in years, but dejenme to clarify something to them: This INP is PERFECTLY COURT FAVORITE, was made WITHOUT NINGUN TYPE OF TRICKS, neither slowdown, nor Moslo, nor nothing that looks like, the Frogger always was one of my favorite games, that I played from small and it took to me but of a month of continuous prática to obtain the necessary tecnica in obtaining what I obtained that day; in fact it was all one night (something asi as 8 hs I create) and single I used the pause to deascontracturar the hands a pair of times, although she sees clearly that some is not obtained to advantage using it but that on the contrary rate is lost. Now I see that also the pause in some games... in aim is prohibited. I am already old and desactualizado to compete in the high level but noncAcceptance of no way that doubts the legitimacy of that recording. Memory perfectly that the FPS were of 60/60 and who has valentía to question it, simply that it proves the opposite, although would please me but that they come to my house and they see me play to demonstrate to them that I really did that score. Simply that night I was inspired and I surpassed any expectation, even mia. He is so hard to accept? Very I am hurt because again me it they have baneado and WITHOUT REASON some, is my first one and unico world-wide record, is a pride my the power to say it and the obtained be it. I had liked much that is recognized in this site and that appears first in the record of frogger, nothing but neither nothing the less, with all the honors, as it would have to be... but it seems that he is unacceptable for some people who are obtained resemblance score in forming good cleaning...., I I have done it, I have obtained it, and know that? with that reaches to me, no longer concerns if they correct it or no, I to me very well that I have obtained it. What if I would like, not who of You mencónó is to send it to the Twin Galaxies Record, that if I would like; I have not done it simply because not like doing it and because "my pride", "my diversion" was to be part of the MARP, but that of any other community. If returning to send my INP I have generated this discución, in which has been left me of side and returned to expel without at least consulting to me first, then, I request excuses. Retire my INP and olvidenlo. Single queria that did justice. Affectionately, German Castagnasso (Germa'n Krol) "
End of translation.
Regards
QRS
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if (i intepret the translation correctly and) he did use pause for whatever reason, this is indeed the reason why we block: Because old mame recordings can use pause, and in alphamame you can't use pause. I don't think anyone doubts you did that inp, German, it's a great achievement! But it was done not in a true arcade style of play. By all means, We are not banishing the score, it is still at marp for all to see and download.German Krol's translation wrote:....and single I used the pause to deascontracturar the hands a pair of times, although she sees clearly that some is not obtained to advantage using it but that on the contrary rate is lost. Now I see that also the pause in some games... in aim is prohibited.
I'm affraid non-english speakers will have a tough time realizing the benefits of alphamame. There is an argument that hasn't been brought up, this is a recording recorded before 3-3-3 but uploaded after, should it be grandfathered (protected from blocking) or not? It's hard to say if a recording was recorded before 3-3-3, since anyone can forge the timestamp, but this was submited to a contest before then so it's pretty much proved to be recorded after 3-3-3, though the rule states "uploaded after 3-3-3".
Last edited by Chad on Wed May 21, 2003 9:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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