List: Games that require specific options to playback

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List: Games that require specific options to playback

Postby Chad » Thu Mar 14, 2002 8:38 pm

Many of marps inps can be playedback with sound and with out the nvram directory with out much trouble. Of course the word playbackability wouldn't exist with out playback problems. This topic and all it's post replies should be used to describe games that have problems with playback but CAN be played back with known specifications. This topic will be here to store this precious information, because usually this information is inserted into the text of recordings by editors for the games in question, but the comments are subsumed when the recorder uploads again. For brevity instead of posting a new reply with a new specific game option to add, edit your previous post if you have one. This information may also be stored in the "special rules" for each game, but this is a way everyone can contribute to the general playbackability of recordings.

*** Games that must be played back with Frameskip 0

DECO Cassette games: cprobow cmissnx castfant etc...
superbug

*** Games that must be played back with specific frameskip

moonwar (frameskip 6) moonwara
outfxies (frameskip 6)

*** Games that must be recorded with no sound

Leland games (the games you usually enter your initials and date of birth before playing)
attaxx

*** Games that must played back with the same platform used in recording (most games you can record in windows and playback in dos and vice versa, these are games that must be played back in windows when recorded in windows etc...)

guwange
drgpunch
tapper
raidenk (win98se)
nightstr (win98se)

*** Games that playback with different platform

hunchbak (if recorded in dos mame37b10 it only played back in win37b10 mame frameskip 0)

sidearjp (appears to crash when playing back win59 version) works in dosmame59

*** Games which require special options

tetrisp2 (must be played back with same -ctrlr option as when recorded with)

*** Games which need to be playedback in same windows operating system (98 vs XP) as recorded

kick
mazinger (98/xp)
rampage (98/xp)

*** Games which require special versions to playback

The mame63 bug lists games that need mame62 or earlier or mame75 or later viewtopic.php?p=23845#23845
The Sega games need version m33b4 or mame58 or later.
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Postby sikraiken » Fri Mar 15, 2002 8:00 pm

If I am not mistaken, my dfeveron recording would not playback when I recorded with sound on and played it back with sound on or sound off, it would only work if I recorded it with sound off and played it back with sound off. Not sure if this applies to all versions of MAME and if it happens all the time.
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Postby Kale » Fri Mar 15, 2002 8:57 pm

1. Frameskip 0
drifto94
gunbulet/ptblank
numanath
(system1.c games)
zeropnt

2. Must be recorded without sound
(?)

3. Requires same platform
pipedrm
solomon
timelimt

(Note: the following games uses rand() function in the source but I haven't tested them.Let me know if some of them are wrong...)

airbustr
(balsente.c games)
ccastles
centiped
ddrible
drifto94
galaxian
galpanic
grchamp
gridlee
(itech8.c & itech32.c games)
(kaneko16.c games)
(metro.c games)
(namcona1.c games)
othldrby
(pacman.c games)
polyplay
(psikyo.c games)

4. Default Nvram needed
cosmopzl
mmaze
mia

5. Other
(some system16.c & system18.c games requires mame_36 or below for playing them decently.
Examples)
astormbl
bodyslam
fpointbl
goldnaxa
hangon
hwchamp
outrun
passsht
quartet
sdi(m36b8 for this)
shangon
shdancer
tturf
wb3
wrestwar

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iganinju
Requires M36b8 version ONLY ,for playing it correctly

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kncljoe:
Requires Main Z80 CPU speed set to 6 Mhz,in order to avoid the "Freeze" bug

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Postby mahlemiut » Fri Mar 15, 2002 9:55 pm

JoeyL21988 wrote:If I am not mistaken, my dfeveron recording would not playback when I recorded with sound on and played it back with sound on or sound off, it would only work if I recorded it with sound off and played it back with sound off. Not sure if this applies to all versions of MAME and if it happens all the time.


Yes, most games on Cave hardware require no sound to playback correctly, unless an older version of MAME was used. Versions around 0.37 beta 13 (and older) require the same sample rate to be used for those that, as far as I can tell, use the YMZ280B for sound.

So far, only Donpachi and Metamoqester haven't had any playback problems that I am aware of.

And Kale, whose bright idea was it to use the rand() function in an emulator? Not exactly accurate emulation to be honest.
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Postby BBH » Sat Mar 16, 2002 6:03 am

the mid-80's Sega/Coreland games, where playback has to be done using the same frameskip that was used to record with (and the frameskip can't be altered during recording or it breaks). i.e. if it's recorded on fskp 0, you must leave it on fskp 0 for the duration of the recording.

Sega Ninja/Ninja Princess
Choplifter
My Hero?
Teddyboy Blues
Brain?
Mr. Viking?

I think there are others but those are the only ones that come to mind right now
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knckhead

Postby Chad » Mon Mar 25, 2002 4:29 pm

knckhead canot be recorded (and playedback) using mamew or mame32 for versions after mame56. mame crashes. And this games doesn't appear to playback when dos mame is used, even though it plays ok and doesn't crash. (you read my thoughts while i was editing!)
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Re: knckhead

Postby BBH » Mon Mar 25, 2002 4:53 pm

Chad wrote:knckhead canot be recorded (and playedback) using mamew or mame32 for versions after mame56. mame crashes.


actually I don't think ANY version of DOS MAME works correctly. even the ones before mame56...
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Postby Frankie » Tue Mar 26, 2002 2:05 am

I don't agree when it comes to knckhead playbackability. I've confirmed SPerrault score of 67.700 which was recorded with MAME32 - 58. I also played it back with that version of MAME 32.

Also I've made a new recording (not yet uploaded, BTW BBH, thanks for showing me some tactics :D ) with MAME 32 - 59 which playbacks fine.

I think that BBH might have a problem with that specific game on newer versions of MAME.

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Postby Frankie » Tue Mar 26, 2002 12:32 pm

Hi Skito

I didn't know there were 2 versions of MAME32 - 58. My version does not crash. Anyway, I've just uploaded my MAME32 - 59 recording of knckhead. Please try it out.

So, if my version of MAME32 - 58 does not crash it shouldn't be capable of playing back knckhead, right? Still I playbacked SPerrault's recording. I'm confused (as always, Ed) :D

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Postby Kale » Fri Sep 06, 2002 6:47 pm

Game that requires Service Mode(F2) "On" at startup(1):

All atarisy1-sy2 games(i.e 720,rampart,atetris and so on)

(1)What I mean with this:Run MAME with the game that you want to play(without recording it)press F2(the service button),quit.Now record with the same game,then leave the service mode after some time,then play.

Without the cfg file(or if you want to do it faster)you can try to press F2 at the first play(on the ROM/RAM test),but I don't know if it works too...

Tested with DMAME .36/.61 ,don't know other versions...
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Postby negative1 » Mon Oct 21, 2002 2:31 pm

i think this is true for defender (all versions) also,
as thats what made it work for me..

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Postby Barthax » Thu Mar 13, 2003 2:24 pm

Must be played back at the same frameskip as recorded:

sia2650
tinv2650

These two do not play correctly at anything other than frameskip 0 anyway (shots will go through the invaders).
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Postby INNUENDO » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:18 pm

MK2R14 and MK2CHAL have problems to playback too!!!! Here, don´t work. :( :(
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Postby mahlemiut » Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:37 pm

Taisen Idol-Mahjong Final Romance 2 [fromanc2]: requires -frameskip 0 and/or -noafs to playback correctly in recent MAME versions at least. Does not playback at all in 0.71u1 and later. 0.70 seems fine.

Not sure of the games on the same driver - Taisen Mahjong Final Romance R [fromancr], and Taisen Mahjong Final Romance 4 [fromanc4]. I don't have the ROMs as yet to test these with.
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