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T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby Zhorik » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:39 pm

I regret to inform everyone that the MARP editors and administrators have discovered that PAC has recently been cheating in his submissions to MARP. We’ve used internal tools developed for the MARP editors to analyze and check all of his submissions for the current MARP Tournament 14 (T14), and they all show that they were manipulated and are not legitimate replays.

Since at least September 2015, almost all of PAC’s MARP submissions have cheated. Effective immediately he is disqualified from T14.

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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby BBH » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:09 pm

To further clarify - yes, we are 100% sure that he was using an outside means to cheat on recordings. No, we are not going to disclose the exact method he used to do this cheating, although we are well aware of what it is. I also would like to mention that we asked some other players (who can come forward if they want) for their opinions on this matter after we explained the situation, and they were in complete agreement that something was up with these recordings.

WolfMAME does effectively stop the basic cheats such as pausing, but it's unfortunately not 100% at stopping everything. Considering we're playing these games for fun because we all love classic arcade games and love the feeling of competing for high scores, it's very disappointing when someone goes above and beyond to actually cheat on their scores.

And yes, this does include PAC's recent 20,000,000 on 3 lives in Galaga. If that score seemed unbelievable... that's because it actually was unbelievable.
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby The_Pro » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:35 pm

I chimed in on Twin Cobra. Taking the recording entirely on its own, in many instances the game is played as if he has never played the game before with no preparation for incoming enemies or situations, only reacting to what appears on screen. I could cite many examples but suffice to say many decisions don't make sense for someone experienced enough to deliver such a score.

I also had an experienced Pandora's Palace player watch that inp and he also cited many decisions as not making any sense.
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby PAC-MAN » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:44 pm

The pro this is not true.
I love arcades. My scores are not cheated.
The Galaga World Récord is in Twin Galaxies too, and it were analized with the staff and they aprove the score. I can repeat this score in an original arcade.
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby Marco Marocco » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:06 am

It's very very very sad.
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby Phil Lamat » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:11 am

PAC-MAN wrote:The pro this is not true.
I love arcades. My scores are not cheated.
The Galaga World Récord is in Twin Galaxies too, and it were analized with the staff and they aprove the score. I can repeat this score in an original arcade.

They've missed something in the analyze, and we don't.
And stop telling you haven't cheat, this is the biggest cheat ever on Marp, and you know it
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby PAC-MAN » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:39 am

Phil Lamat wrote:
PAC-MAN wrote:The pro this is not true.
I love arcades. My scores are not cheated.
The Galaga World Récord is in Twin Galaxies too, and it were analized with the staff and they aprove the score. I can repeat this score in an original arcade.

They've missed something in the analyze, and we don't.
And stop telling you haven't cheat, this is the biggest cheat ever on Marp, and you know it


I dont know how can I cheat , I play with a keyboard in a Laptop, I cant cheat anyway!!!!!!! If you think that I cheat is only your opinion. I do not want to argue, I have a clear conscience and that's what matters to me.
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby GHEMANT » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:32 am

:evil: :evil: :evil:

I want know if Psichic 5, Hammering Harry, Secret Agent and Combact School are cheated also. Please marp's staff check them.
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby xelnia » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:16 am

I am in agreement with the MARP editors/admins. I am not an editor and don't have access to their tools, but using tools available to anyone it's easy to see there is some heavy INP manipulation going on here.
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby OMG Kreygasm » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:22 am

I don't know much about the MAME inner workings but when BBH, The_Pro and gstrain speak, I listen and trust their wealth of knowledge on such matters.
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby edusword » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:09 am

I know PAC's arcade abilities, so he is cheating is very difficult to believe for me. I know and understand MARP editors don't want to explain the supposed exact cheating method, but I wonder if to provide a clearer evidence is possible. Thank you!
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby Zerstorung » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:05 pm

You don't even need tools to see that something is really off with the play.

Please watch the violent storm inp. I could not fully watch it as it desynced at the second boss for me, but the claimed score is 4 million points which is probably a looping run or at least double my best score. If you watch, he spends almost all of the first stage doing what looks like learning the controls. He almost legitimately dies to the first boss, missing punches and getting hit by easy attacks. And after this display he is able to loop the game with one of the tougher characters to use?

If you watch his punching it looks like he has multiple autofire speed buttons. Especially when he misses enemies you can clearly see he attacks at a perfectly even rate (though not always the same rate). Additionally you see that he'll frequently uppercut the air after hitting an enemy which would never happen if you just pushed the button but would be expected to happen if you were using autofire and just held the button down too long.


Also of significant note is his two gradius 3 runs. Gradius 3 is a game that requires following a pattern through stages to remain safe and play with consistency.

In his first INP the first thing he does is max out his speed up, which any gradius player could tell you is generally suicide. Then he proceeds to follow risky strategies throughout the run. He spends the whole game getting extremely close to enemies and bullets for no reason, putting himself in dangerous positions during generally easy parts of stages.

In stage 3 I nearly did a spittake when he flew in between the rocks in the volcano section. (It is NEVER EVER safe to go ANYWHERE near them. They are fast and random and WILL kill you. But if you wait on the left side of the screen they stop for a moment to let you through. This happens every time and there is no reason to do otherwise.)

He dodges the entire cube rush without sealing himself in. Not even the world record holder does this, no less on the first try. People who loop the game cannot do this and top players almost never pass this section on one life.

But the biggest red flag is when he played it again on the Japanese version. In 24 hours he went from this extremely dangerous play to somewhat learning the strategies. This time he followed common strategy in most places and sealed himself in during the cube rush.

Even if we ignore the fact that it is not humanly possible that he looped one of the more difficult shmups without knowing basic strategy and playing risky, how come when he does it again a day later he knows what to do?
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby KIG666 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:39 pm

PAC a cheater damn that's really sad :(

There's No excuse for cheating it's simply LAME and that it includes his Galaga inp as well damn I'm extremely disappointed :(
I must admit the no autofire no cheats no pause description on his Galaga topic was fishy like he would try to hide something but still..

His average ship scores were also way too consistent for a 11 hours+game.

The problem is that we as gamers here have not the tools to check so if a score is verified it's automatically legit for us :roll:

The_Pro wrote:I chimed in on Twin Cobra. Taking the recording entirely on its own, in many instances the game is played as if he has never played the game before with no preparation for incoming enemies or situations, only reacting to what appears on screen. I could cite many examples but suffice to say many decisions don't make sense for someone experienced enough to deliver such a score.

I also had an experienced Pandora's Palace player watch that inp and he also cited many decisions as not making any sense.


That's THE trademark of tool assisted crap and the main reason why I believe the editors/staff members here.


Zerstorung wrote: Even if we ignore the fact that it is not humanly possible that he looped one of the more difficult shmups without knowing basic strategy and playing risky, how come when he does it again a day later he knows what to do?


If he can repeat his 20M Galaga score with only 3 lives on a arcade machine I would be willing to believe in super abilities but for now I believe the editors sorry PAC :wink:
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby PAC-MAN » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:49 pm

Dont worry kig666. I'm advocating that I do not cheat .In fact, right now instead of keyboard , I will use the original arcade machine GALAGA to show and get over 20,000,000
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Re: T14 - PAC has been disqualified

Postby Marco Marocco » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:54 pm

Not bad you show us also Pengo
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