zlk wrote:However when sega released a new console port of outrun, in their magazine ads there is a screenshot of someone using the technique. It was one of two screenshots shown. If sega were so against people doing it, if it were so "against the spirit of the game," they certainly would not included a screenshot of someone using the offroad technique in their ad.
could that just be a coincidence? basing a lot just on a picture. did the artcile actually discuss the trick and state the programmers intentionally put that in the game?
oh, I have seen many mspac or pacman pictures that have situations that aren't even possible.
We see articles for games where the screenshot isn't even for what they are talking about etc. I remember many articles about classic games just being poorly written where the writer seemed not to really know about the game where it had totally wrong information about the game in the article.
Then people claim the technique is makes the game too easy and thus "will destroy competition." The problem with this argument is that plenty of people play outrun in Japan.
this isn't the same case for outrun. not like cameltry.
sure, you can still have a competition where all are using the trick. But that is a separate competition where scores can't be compared to a competition where you aren't using the trick. The truly very best racers that might not want to ever use the trick won't have the highest scores. All the highest scores are using the trick.
MARP found as fair of a solution as it could by having one of the rom sets allow the offroad trick...and others not allowing it. This allows for competition on both types of play.
Personally, I would rather see the true-out racing...not a trick where you can by-pass the harder areas of the courses where it really makes a difference racing it straight.
Yes, there is still a lot besides that...as well as the execution of the trick itself...but something is definitely lost there. It's up to each scoreboard to decide which they want...or perhaps both tracked separately.
there is one way to win the argument: beat the gamest record in outrun. Show everyone how it is done. I can guarantee it won't be easy.
yes, I am sure it wouldn't be easy...the top scorers likely played the game tons...plus a few of them likely could kick butt playing it without using the trick as well. I would much rather see these masters play the game that way versus using the trick. Playing the game without the trick you can't even get close to the same score. You might be setting a new WR in score racing at a higher skill than anyone(cuz more traffic and bushes to avoid and curves to negotiate) yet not show in score cuz all others used the trick.
remember novice claimed himself to be an absolute master of cameltry when he used that cheap warp trick. I had never done the trick...and in just 2 games set a score just to show it takes little skill to do it...getting 2.3 million where in 100s of plays reaching very precise and skillful play playing it as intended QRS and I...then later TJT were getting around 700k.
if those warps were allowed, it makes all scores pointless..cuz soon many would have the max...evne if the game didn't max out....big deal..you cheapened the game...playing a different aspect of it etc. not even the same skill set required for that versus playing it normally.
we all know most of these classic games have flaws or code errors you can exploit. This doesn't make the gamer more skillful by exploiting it.
each is decided on a case by case and scoreboard by scoreboard basis. just cuz some other's score is much higher does not always equate with higher skill....many think this is always the case. it is flawed. It is often the case, but not always the case.